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16 Feb 2014, 12:39 pm

ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
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There's really nothing you can dislike Israel for (that is, unless you're an anti-semite) that you can't dislike Iran more for.


Thats completely untrue, i just gave a very good reason. Israel is the national equivalent of a school bully that draws criticism not just from gentiles but also Jews.

www.nkusa.com

http://jewishvoiceforpeace.org/

http://jfjfp.com/

Misguided belief. They only protect themselves and they do not ask others to do it. They are a small country, you don't see them marching boldly into Saudi Arabia after a blitzkrieg. Now stop with the hyperbole already.

Are you kidding me? Where do you think they get all of their guns, tanks, planes and nuclear missiles?

I meant no one is doing the fighting for them. Israel is no different from other countries they import arms and you can say that about nearly everywhere except the US, Russia, and maybe China who tend to supply others.
I completely disagree with this idea Israel is like Nazi Germany. They must deal with this Hamas threat daily they respond the best way they can to prevent bombings in their own country. Any country in a similar situation would keep responding until the threat is diminished because each country owes their citizens protection first and foremost. Number one priority. You cannot stand by while civilians are continuously targeted.


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16 Feb 2014, 12:40 pm

ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
You just have to face reality and stop convoluting.
Hamas has declared Israel it's mortal enemy duh that means they have said to Israel they will not stop attacking they will always be at war until Israel is no more. That is the Hamas pledge. They want it that way.

Hamas represent only one arm of the Palestinian authority, they represent neither the Palestinian people as a whole nor do they represent all schools of thought within Palestinians relating how they view Jews or Israels continuation as a seperate country.

Anyway, i see it as a problematic area to focus on because you cant expect an indigenous population to react in a positive objective way given the historical context.
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So Israel does what any country would in a similar situation. They protect themselves from the continual threat.[/
No one was threatening Nazi Germany. They didn't get their way one time so what happened? They invaded another country. Britain finally said that's enough and declared war on them and this was after all the trouble they caused during the first war so don't even go there.
It's not the same situation and to claim it is is a blatant exaggeration. No Jew was threatening Germany at the time of the Nazis.


The Palestinians owned the land in the first place, what about their right to autonomy? They never asked the Israelis to come.

No arab country, not even Iran will be a threat to Israel as long as the American industrial complex is looming in the background.

In less than 30 years though Israel will genocide any remaining arab territory.


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16 Feb 2014, 12:41 pm

ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
thomas81 wrote:
ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
thomas81 wrote:
Kurgan wrote:


There's really nothing you can dislike Israel for (that is, unless you're an anti-semite) that you can't dislike Iran more for.


Thats completely untrue, i just gave a very good reason. Israel is the national equivalent of a school bully that draws criticism not just from gentiles but also Jews.

www.nkusa.com

http://jewishvoiceforpeace.org/

http://jfjfp.com/

Misguided belief. They only protect themselves and they do not ask others to do it. They are a small country, you don't see them marching boldly into Saudi Arabia after a blitzkrieg. Now stop with the hyperbole already.

Are you kidding me? Where do you think they get all of their guns, tanks, planes and nuclear missiles?

I meant no one is doing the fighting for them. Israel is no different from other countries they import arms and you can say that about nearly everywhere except the US, Russia, and maybe China who tend to supply others.
I completely disagree with this idea Israel is like Nazi Germany. They must deal with this Hamas threat daily they respond the best way they can to prevent bombings in their own country. Any country in a similar situation would keep responding until the threat is diminished because each country owes their citizens protection first and foremost. Number one priority. You cannot stand by while civilians are continuously targeted.

Killing civies is all in all the number one thing NOT to do. NO ONE should do it. Not Israel, Not Hamas.
I support neither. I want them both to run out of bullets.


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16 Feb 2014, 12:49 pm

appletheclown wrote:
ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
thomas81 wrote:
ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
thomas81 wrote:
Kurgan wrote:


There's really nothing you can dislike Israel for (that is, unless you're an anti-semite) that you can't dislike Iran more for.


Thats completely untrue, i just gave a very good reason. Israel is the national equivalent of a school bully that draws criticism not just from gentiles but also Jews.

www.nkusa.com

http://jewishvoiceforpeace.org/

http://jfjfp.com/

Misguided belief. They only protect themselves and they do not ask others to do it. They are a small country, you don't see them marching boldly into Saudi Arabia after a blitzkrieg. Now stop with the hyperbole already.

Are you kidding me? Where do you think they get all of their guns, tanks, planes and nuclear missiles?

I meant no one is doing the fighting for them. Israel is no different from other countries they import arms and you can say that about nearly everywhere except the US, Russia, and maybe China who tend to supply others.
I completely disagree with this idea Israel is like Nazi Germany. They must deal with this Hamas threat daily they respond the best way they can to prevent bombings in their own country. Any country in a similar situation would keep responding until the threat is diminished because each country owes their citizens protection first and foremost. Number one priority. You cannot stand by while civilians are continuously targeted.

Killing civies is all in all the number one thing NOT to do. NO ONE should do it. Not Israel, Not Hamas.
I support neither. I want them both to run out of bullets.


Israel wont run out of bullets because they have America in the background, feeding them with ammo and weapons ad infinitum.

Thats why it pisses me off when you have Israel apologists pretending it is a fair fight.


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16 Feb 2014, 12:51 pm

thomas81 wrote:
appletheclown wrote:
ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
thomas81 wrote:
ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
thomas81 wrote:
Kurgan wrote:


There's really nothing you can dislike Israel for (that is, unless you're an anti-semite) that you can't dislike Iran more for.


Thats completely untrue, i just gave a very good reason. Israel is the national equivalent of a school bully that draws criticism not just from gentiles but also Jews.

www.nkusa.com

http://jewishvoiceforpeace.org/

http://jfjfp.com/

Misguided belief. They only protect themselves and they do not ask others to do it. They are a small country, you don't see them marching boldly into Saudi Arabia after a blitzkrieg. Now stop with the hyperbole already.

Are you kidding me? Where do you think they get all of their guns, tanks, planes and nuclear missiles?

I meant no one is doing the fighting for them. Israel is no different from other countries they import arms and you can say that about nearly everywhere except the US, Russia, and maybe China who tend to supply others.
I completely disagree with this idea Israel is like Nazi Germany. They must deal with this Hamas threat daily they respond the best way they can to prevent bombings in their own country. Any country in a similar situation would keep responding until the threat is diminished because each country owes their citizens protection first and foremost. Number one priority. You cannot stand by while civilians are continuously targeted.

Killing civies is all in all the number one thing NOT to do. NO ONE should do it. Not Israel, Not Hamas.
I support neither. I want them both to run out of bullets.


Israel wont run out of bullets because they have America in the background, feeding them with ammo and weapons ad infinitum.

Thats why it pisses me off when you have Israel apologists pretending it is a fair fight.


Israel didn't start the fight, and they're the only side you can reason with. It's only fair that Hamas and their allies do not get the upper-hand.



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16 Feb 2014, 12:52 pm

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The Palestinians owned the land in the first place, what about their right to autonomy? They never asked the Israelis to come.

No arab country, not even Iran will be a threat to Israel as long as the American industrial complex is looming in the background.

In less than 30 years though Israel will genocide any remaining arab territory.

I talk to a very nice man who lives in Israel he tells me this is a mistaken belief people have about Israel. The Palestinians actually arrived during the first Intifada and never actually owned any land.



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16 Feb 2014, 12:53 pm

ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
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The Palestinians owned the land in the first place, what about their right to autonomy? They never asked the Israelis to come.

No arab country, not even Iran will be a threat to Israel as long as the American industrial complex is looming in the background.

In less than 30 years though Israel will genocide any remaining arab territory.

I talk to a very nice man who lives in Israel he tells me this is a mistaken belief people have about Israel. The Palestinians actually arrived during the first Intifada and never actually owned any land.


If he is a Zionist then obviously he is going to say those things.


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16 Feb 2014, 12:55 pm

thomas81 wrote:
ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
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The Palestinians owned the land in the first place, what about their right to autonomy? They never asked the Israelis to come.

No arab country, not even Iran will be a threat to Israel as long as the American industrial complex is looming in the background.

In less than 30 years though Israel will genocide any remaining arab territory.

I talk to a very nice man who lives in Israel he tells me this is a mistaken belief people have about Israel. The Palestinians actually arrived during the first Intifada and never actually owned any land.


If he is a Zionist then obviously he is going to say those things.

He isn't a zionist but he's really nice and knows a lot about it.



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16 Feb 2014, 12:55 pm

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www.nkusa.com


Neturei Karta? Trolololololol!

You endorse people that happily line up with the out-and-out fascists of Jobbik and the Iranian holocaust denying-mullahs. (See them turning out in support of Gabor Vona in London last month.)

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No, what i think of NK out of the context of the Israel-Palestine discussion is irrelevant.

I am saying you cant tar all critics of Israel with a straight face whenever Israel also attracts criticism from Jewish groups.


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16 Feb 2014, 12:56 pm

ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
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The Palestinians owned the land in the first place, what about their right to autonomy? They never asked the Israelis to come.

No arab country, not even Iran will be a threat to Israel as long as the American industrial complex is looming in the background.

In less than 30 years though Israel will genocide any remaining arab territory.

I talk to a very nice man who lives in Israel he tells me this is a mistaken belief people have about Israel. The Palestinians actually arrived during the first Intifada and never actually owned any land.


They took it from the Romans. You are citing info that is completely false, and irrelevant


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16 Feb 2014, 12:58 pm

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Israel didn't start the fight.


Yes they did, they started in in 1946 when they kicked the arabs off their lands.


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16 Feb 2014, 12:58 pm

thomas81 wrote:
ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
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The Palestinians owned the land in the first place, what about their right to autonomy? They never asked the Israelis to come.

No arab country, not even Iran will be a threat to Israel as long as the American industrial complex is looming in the background.

In less than 30 years though Israel will genocide any remaining arab territory.

I talk to a very nice man who lives in Israel he tells me this is a mistaken belief people have about Israel. The Palestinians actually arrived during the first Intifada and never actually owned any land.


If he is a Zionist then obviously he is going to say those things.

He isn't a zionist but he's really nice and knows a lot about it.



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16 Feb 2014, 12:59 pm

ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
thomas81 wrote:
ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
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The Palestinians owned the land in the first place, what about their right to autonomy? They never asked the Israelis to come.

No arab country, not even Iran will be a threat to Israel as long as the American industrial complex is looming in the background.

In less than 30 years though Israel will genocide any remaining arab territory.

I talk to a very nice man who lives in Israel he tells me this is a mistaken belief people have about Israel. The Palestinians actually arrived during the first Intifada and never actually owned any land.


If he is a Zionist then obviously he is going to say those things.

He isn't a zionist but he's really nice and knows a lot about it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1948_Palestinian_exodus


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16 Feb 2014, 1:00 pm

thomas81 wrote:
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Israel didn't start the fight.


Yes they did, they started in in 1946 when they kicked the arabs off their lands.

That's not really true. Zionists tried to buy the land from the Arabs in hopes of creating Zion, their ancient homeland they dreamed about and longed to return.



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16 Feb 2014, 1:01 pm

ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
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Kurgan wrote:
Israel didn't start the fight.


Yes they did, they started in in 1946 when they kicked the arabs off their lands.

That's not really true. Zionists tried to buy the land from the Arabs in hopes of creating Zion, their ancient homeland they dreamed about and longed to return.


but when that failed they got weapons from the british and forced them off.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1948_Palestinian_exodus
http://www.al-nakba-history.com/


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16 Feb 2014, 1:01 pm

Yeah. Not for Sale. Oddly that is what Poland told Hitler.


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