zacb wrote:
I must say that this thread has taken a slightly sarcastic turn. I was trying to put out an olive branch.
In my best effort of being serious, and without targetting anybody specifically.
I think most people, have no evil at heart. They just try to do what they thought is best for the world around them align their political views to that. There are three big flaws in most political views.
1) We like to attribute positive human qualities to our own political views, while attaching negative ones to the opposing ones. (Capiltalists: "Commies are resented mediocre people out to get the rewards of those who work the hardest, capitalists are creative innovative people that are making the world a better place to live" Socialists "Capitalists are greedy and trample over their fellow people so they can get rich, socialists are nice people who like to share and work towards the collective good.") In the end I think the world has nice people and has a-holes, and the thing with a-holes is that they are pretty good at finding flaws in every system so that they can be a-holes to all people around them.
2) We like to think that our political views are backed up by something bigger: Religion, science, nature, whatever... Somehow as if we were meant to follow a specific political view because of some higher order around us, and since this higher order is in our favor, all of the others are wrong as a consequence. And believe, neither science, nature or religion are compatible with any sort of political view.
3) People with other political views are misinformed: Most of the time, they aren't. I've had a big shift in my political views recently because I got to see and experience a lot of stuff that made me reconsider my points. And I don't know If in the next few years that might happen again. The thing is we never get to see the world as a whole, we only see small bits of it and construct our global view on those bits. Then when we get to see it from another angle, it turns out things were very different. And I'm convinced we can't really see the whole picture because it is consantly changing. So the only change we've got is working toghether towards what we thing is right and never being affraid of being mistaken, because in the end odds are at least some part of our political views is wrong and if we don't listen seriously to people that oppose we'll never get to find out.
So let's all celebrate we got the chance to see and learn about different political viewpoints.
I tend to agree. For myself, I feel like I am in a weird spot. I feel like a centrist, even though I am a libertarian anarchist, but I find as long as there is no coercion in said systems, I don't mind them. It is a weird feeling not having a horse in the race per se. So as far as your point on people seeing the opposition as evil or this or that, I don't see that. What I see is the leaders (politicians) of each and every party being the problem, not the solution. So to an extent I would say that you are right that there are good an bad people. In addition, there is no right or wrong way of governance, just ones that are more expedient to a certain goal. The problem is when neighbors want their neighbors clubbed for something they don't agree with, or have value stolen from their neighbor. But people see it as X or Y . Oh well