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27 Feb 2014, 5:21 pm

Havent hear that "running to higher elevations" hypothesis.

But back in the Seventies a fellow college student got all excited telling me that in Noah's Flood "the bigger heavier animals would sink deeper in the mud, and the smaller lighter ones would be buoyed up", and thats why dinosaurs are found lower down in the strata than are humans.

Apparently- in the last four decades Creationsists finnally realized that how "big and heavy" the animal is would be irrelevent to how buoyant it is. What matters is how dense it is. So now I guess they claim to have evidence that dinosaurs were 'denser' (literally, not mentally) than humans.



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27 Feb 2014, 5:23 pm

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This is yet another episode in the evolution-versus-creation debate -- evolution is the historical challenger -- as presently going on in my home county. I first heard of it here:
http://www.elkharttruth.com/news/school ... onism.html

After I had asked the newspaper to report what the teacher had actually presented to his students, a video link appeared here:
http://www.elkharttruth.com/news/2014/0 ... hools.html

alternative link to same video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pl ... 8GgrUposII

Students in favor of what the teacher has done are making their own statement with T-shirts saying "Teach both. Let us decide."
https://twitter.com/mrculpshirts
(note: The above link is shared here for informational purposes only and is not intended as any kind of promotion or solicitation for T-shirt sales.)

I think Kent Hovind does a fine job of debunking evolution...

"I am not trying to get evolution out of the schools; I am not trying to get creation into the schools; I just want the lies out of the text books." (Kent Hovind at 2:30 in the video)

...yet I also understand the teacher will lose in this case just like any other. However, it would be great to hear an evolutionist or two honestly declare the battle is a religious one where Evolutionism is just as much a religion as Creationism (and with neither being necessary or helpful in the area of actual science).


Lee, haven't we discussed this before? Evolution is pretty much fact with evidence ranging not only from the fossil record but from radiometric dating, geology, genetics etc. It's actually creationism that isn't supported by the facts. Also, I wouldn't trust anything Kent Hovind says, get got his degree from a diploma mill and he himself is a liar. He's pretty well known for his intellectual dishonesty.



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27 Feb 2014, 5:23 pm

I can't believe that religious schools haven't been outlawed in supposedly 'developed' countries like the UK and USA.

Sure, some will argue that whatever your beliefs, parents should be able to choose a religious education for their children, and those of a different persuasion should respect their right to do so.

If a parent chose to sexually abuse their children, should people of a different persuasion accept that? Respect it? No.

Edit: I'm not against Religious Education in secular schools, I would argue that the teaching of it is more important than the teaching of History... as long as the curriculum is balanced, and the teacher isn't some dangerous fantasist.



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27 Feb 2014, 5:24 pm

naturalplastic wrote:
... What matters is how dense it is. So now I guess they claim to have evidence that dinosaurs were 'denser' (literally, not mentally) than humans.


So creationists would be found in deeper strata than scientists? :wink:


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27 Feb 2014, 5:44 pm

I had something to say, and then I thought ahh f**k it what's the use.

Goodnight PPR!


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27 Feb 2014, 6:03 pm

I know, we go ahead and teach religion in school, just we start off with the jehad's that keep's wanting to blow the world up, Oh wait, your only wanting to teach our children YOUR Cristian religion and values, forgot religions don't like competition do they? I guess thats why they want to git rid of the evolutionists. Naa, thats not it, what it is, is they just want to get to everyones children and take the right of the parents away of what they want for their own kids. what if I was a satanist, and didn't want my kid to learn Christianity? going to try and force it down him anyways? I say keep religion out of schools, what? remove evolution too? well that would mean removing the sciences and all other things connected. or how about we just stop sending our children to schools altogether? problem solved. because thats what I would do if they started trying to teach religion in public schools, take my kid out and home school him. if you want religion in school use religion based privet schools for it, they already exist.



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27 Feb 2014, 6:35 pm

naturalplastic wrote:
Havent hear that "running to higher elevations" hypothesis.

But back in the Seventies a fellow college student got all excited telling me that in Noah's Flood "the bigger heavier animals would sink deeper in the mud, and the smaller lighter ones would be buoyed up", and thats why dinosaurs are found lower down in the strata than are humans.

Apparently- in the last four decades Creationsists finnally realized that how "big and heavy" the animal is would be irrelevent to how buoyant it is. What matters is how dense it is. So now I guess they claim to have evidence that dinosaurs were 'denser' (literally, not mentally) than humans.


Huh... Did he ever explain why little creatures like trilobites and such are found even deeper down than dinosaurs?


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27 Feb 2014, 6:52 pm

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naturalplastic wrote:
Havent hear that "running to higher elevations" hypothesis.

But back in the Seventies a fellow college student got all excited telling me that in Noah's Flood "the bigger heavier animals would sink deeper in the mud, and the smaller lighter ones would be buoyed up", and thats why dinosaurs are found lower down in the strata than are humans.

Apparently- in the last four decades Creationsists finnally realized that how "big and heavy" the animal is would be irrelevent to how buoyant it is. What matters is how dense it is. So now I guess they claim to have evidence that dinosaurs were 'denser' (literally, not mentally) than humans.


Huh... Did he ever explain why little creatures like trilobites and such are found even deeper down than dinosaurs?


Trilobytes are made of rock? :lol:
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27 Feb 2014, 7:47 pm

leejosepho wrote:
This is yet another episode in the evolution-versus-creation debate -- evolution is the historical challenger -- as presently going on in my home county. I first heard of it here:
http://www.elkharttruth.com/news/school ... onism.html

After I had asked the newspaper to report what the teacher had actually presented to his students, a video link appeared here:
http://www.elkharttruth.com/news/2014/0 ... hools.html

alternative link to same video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pl ... 8GgrUposII

Students in favor of what the teacher has done are making their own statement with T-shirts saying "Teach both. Let us decide."
https://twitter.com/mrculpshirts
(note: The above link is shared here for informational purposes only and is not intended as any kind of promotion or solicitation for T-shirt sales.)

I think Kent Hovind does a fine job of debunking evolution...

"I am not trying to get evolution out of the schools; I am not trying to get creation into the schools; I just want the lies out of the text books." (Kent Hovind at 2:30 in the video)

...yet I also understand the teacher will lose in this case just like any other. However, it would be great to hear an evolutionist or two honestly declare the battle is a religious one where Evolutionism is just as much a religion as Creationism (and with neither being necessary or helpful in the area of actual science).


Yes. Let the students decide between geocentric and heliocentric. As if they had the smarts to do it.

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27 Feb 2014, 7:53 pm

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Kraichgauer wrote:
naturalplastic wrote:
Havent hear that "running to higher elevations" hypothesis.

But back in the Seventies a fellow college student got all excited telling me that in Noah's Flood "the bigger heavier animals would sink deeper in the mud, and the smaller lighter ones would be buoyed up", and thats why dinosaurs are found lower down in the strata than are humans.

Apparently- in the last four decades Creationsists finnally realized that how "big and heavy" the animal is would be irrelevent to how buoyant it is. What matters is how dense it is. So now I guess they claim to have evidence that dinosaurs were 'denser' (literally, not mentally) than humans.


Huh... Did he ever explain why little creatures like trilobites and such are found even deeper down than dinosaurs?


Trilobytes are made of rock? :lol:
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27 Feb 2014, 8:49 pm

it's not impossible to believe in both God and evolution--just ask this guy:

Amazon.ca

great book btw, i have this one at home



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27 Feb 2014, 9:05 pm

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it's not impossible to believe in both God and evolution--just ask this guy:

Amazon.ca

great book btw, i have this one at home


Does the author believe in evolution? Evolution doesn't require belief.

(forgive me if you think I'm just being an ass arguing semantics, I might like to read that book)



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27 Feb 2014, 9:15 pm

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it's not impossible to believe in both God and evolution--just ask this guy:

Amazon.ca

great book btw, i have this one at home


Agreed. I've been a believer in both God and evolution for years now.


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27 Feb 2014, 9:25 pm

Pobbles wrote:
starvingartist wrote:
it's not impossible to believe in both God and evolution--just ask this guy:

Amazon.ca

great book btw, i have this one at home


Does the author believe in evolution? Evolution doesn't require belief.

(forgive me if you think I'm just being an ass arguing semantics, I might like to read that book)


i suppose you could say he "believes" in evolution in the sense that he has spent his life studying the evidence for it. the point i was trying to make is that there are scientists out there who aren't atheists and who think that a belief in God does not have to preclude trust in the sciences.



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27 Feb 2014, 9:42 pm

Can you summarise his (the author's) spiritual beliefs in a couple of sentences? I'm genuinely interested.

I don't think it's impossible for scientists to have spiritual beliefs at all, after all, no one can disprove the existence of a higher force in the universe, spiritual or otherwise. Creationism on the other hand, is ripe for ridicule, and has no convincing arguments.

Again, I think the Creationist view point should also be taught in R.E. lessons in secular schools. Not in the way that encourages belief, but in the same way that a teacher might teach a bunch of kids about H.I.V.
Academic. Cautionary.



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27 Feb 2014, 9:57 pm

Pobbles wrote:
Can you summarise his (the author's) spiritual beliefs in a couple of sentences? I'm genuinely interested.

I don't think it's impossible for scientists to have spiritual beliefs at all, after all, no one can disprove the existence of a higher force in the universe, spiritual or otherwise. Creationism on the other hand, is ripe for ridicule, and has no convincing arguments.

Again, I think the Creationist view point should also be taught in R.E. lessons in secular schools. Not in the way that encourages belief, but in the same way that a teacher might teach a bunch of kids about H.I.V.
Academic. Cautionary.


i would find it difficult to sum up another human being's (especially one whom i don't know personally) spiritual beliefs in a couple of sentences. i suggest you read the reviews on amazon if you're interested in the book--i find the reviews on that site to be generally pretty comprehensive. (translation: i'm too lazy to summarise the book for you myself. lol)