why are feminist obsessed with Nice guys(TM)

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There are two types of feminists: 1- those who think like any reasonable woman and man, including me, ie, women and men should have the same treatment by the law. 2- those who are women who deny their "womanness" as hard as they can; these are the feminists who are annoying.

Because of what was explained above, and considering that the annoying feminists are the ones who deny what was explained above, they have to viscerally deny any such thing as the friendzone. If there was such a thing, they would have to start admiting things to themselves that they cannot handle.

The problem with Nice Guys (TM) is that they fancy themselves as like this knight in shining armor and that is the mask that they put on, when in reality deep down they're really chauvinistic and sexist, with a feeling of entitlement to a woman's time and body, and this ends up showing from behind their mask over time. True nice guys are just that, nice, and they may certainly want to date women, but they would also have respect for the women's boundaries, unlike Nice Guys (TM).

'Friendzone' is a smarmy term that is only used by guys who think that men and women can't really be friends. If you think you're "in the friendzone," the woman in question probably just thinks that she's your friend and vice-versa. If you're not capable of being friends with a woman without trying to get into her pants, then be honest about it with her and leave her alone.

I've dated several nice guys, but only one Nice Guy(tm). The latter went through the correct motions and was sort of a 'traditional gentleman,' but had no respect for me as a person and, I found out after I stopped seeing him, was sleeping with someone else behind my back. I also dated one guy that most people would agree was a jerk, and it was actually a pretty good relationship because we respected each other, and we were both completely honest withe each other about what we wanted from the relationship and what the limits were. He didn't go through any of the traditionally chivalric motions; he just treated me like a human being.

@Modus Ponens, your post translated:
'there are two types of women: those who agree with me, and those who are in denial of their femininity. I am the expert in all things female. You're welcome."

Nope. I haven't called anyone a jerk on WP yet and I don't intend to start now.

don't you know we should be grateful he was thoughtful enough to come along and solve all our lady-problems for us and then dismiss us? hehehe

friendzone is real,it just alot of guys confuse having a crush on a female
friend,who has no feeling for him,as friendzone

friendzone is when a woman leads her ''male friend''on,and
act more like a gf,than a regular friend.

I was right,you have dated.

so do Alpha and players,they pretend to be nice towards women,
yet are sexist,yet feminist rarely complain about them.It's
only lonely unsuccessful men that feminist hate.

feminist logic:
a lonely,dateless man who rants about women:''oh,such
a sexist,entitle a**hole''
a successful in dating attractive man who rants about women:
(crickets)

It's not an entitlement to a woman's time and body. You are the ones who say you want the nice guys. Yet, I've never seen a girl with a nice guy last long. Never. That's where the nice guys' "WTF?" comes from.

I was not (male) chauvinistic before being put in the friendzone. Do you think you known I'm not a nice guy just because I'm telling things as they are? A male chauvinist can be a nice guy. I've got news for you, lady: you're a female chauvinist. How many times have you thought to yourself "Ugh! Men!" ? Or "All men are the same." ? That's misandry. There: you are a female chauvinist. It's a matter of degree. You want to go even further down the road? How many times have you had the thought "Women are better parents than men." That's a classic male chauvinist kind of stereotype. Just like you have these stereoptypes in your head, you also have absorbed stereotypes that are male chauvinist, but do not serve your interests. So there: you are a mysogynist too.

Do you consider yourself a bad person because you have these thoughts? Or do you think that it's actions that count?

That's not how it's usually described. Men talk about 'being in the friendzone' when they do all kinds of mutually supportive 'friend' things with a given woman and expect her to sort of magically deduce that he's doing them because he wants to get into her pants, not because he's her friend... because, why else would a guy hang out with a gal, right? (that last bit is not, unfortunately, sarcasm; I've seen exactly that sentiment written on this forum more than once).


what?

You clearly haven't hung around with many feminists. The ones who get hated on the most are the jocks with the entitlement complex.

to LKL
Yes,I told you,some guys falsely accuse their female friend for
putting them in a friendzone,but friendzone does happen.


we had discussion over a year ago,about women and dating,
I said ''bet you have a bf''and I was right.

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The bolded sentence is a lie. You know perfectly well that many, many women make their male friends their human pets, while fully knowing that they will try to hump you. "Aww, that's so cute!" If it's a jerk, then things get interesting for those women.

There are also the lesbians. I'm not the expert in all things female. I just see through the horses**t that "women want nice guys". This is not difficult to understand: we are primates; female primates voluntarely copulate with the alpha male the most; extrapolating to modern society, the alpha males are the jerks and, in a sense, the rich/powerful guys. Therefore women are into either jerks or rich/powerful guys. What's hard to understand in this train of thought? I'm sorry if it destroys all that you (were indoctrinated to) believe in, but that's how it is.

??? My dad is genuinely a nice guy (and a good bit geeky, too), and my mother (who was a woman, not a girl, when she married him) has stuck with him for 3 decades.

I think you have a warped picture of what is actually going on out there.

EDIT: There's also my brother-in-law, there's that guy a woman I knew from a previous job married (and he was real shy, quiet, and geeky), and various other genuinely nice guys.

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Oh, I love to see you gals mad with something you try to deny, but know, in your gut, it's true. It's the enjoyment I get resulting from accumulated knowledge, having dealt with this crap myself.

The Nice Guy(TM) I dated, I quit because he was clearly being dishonest about something and had an unpleasantly condescending and superior attitude, despite the opened doors. The Jerk I dated, I quit because I started to want more than we both agreed that the relationship would be able to provide for either one of us. I'm still friends with him (note: not "friendzone," just friends). The nice guys I've dated, variously they have quit or I have quit because we weren't "the one." a couple of them I wished we could make it work, others not so much. The nice ones were, by far, the ones I spent the most time with, though.


No. I think that you're deluded and you're making up a tale to comfort yourself about how women are deluded, illogical, and/or evil, to keep it from being your problem that you have difficulty in relationships.


No. A male chauvinist can only ever be a Nice Guy(tm).

Whenever I find urine all over the toilet seat.

Never. Literally, never.
I have a brother, two dads, some great male co-workers, etc. and they're all unique, wonderful people.


It's misandry to think that a man can never have a relationship with a woman unless he wants to have sex with her.

Not since before I hit puberty. That's a profoundly unfeminist thought. I've thought, "women are unfairly saddled with the majority of the unpleasant parenting duties," but that's not the same thing at all.


I'm just curious: do you think that you're addressing an actual person? Or is the straw-feminist in your head real enough to you that you're actually talking to her?

yes,because them nice guys had dating success,and most
likely liberals.feminist hate any guys who are unsuccessful
in dating,no matter if their sexist or not.