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21 Mar 2014, 10:44 am

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I am completely indifferent to all this, beyond writing this post, that is.

Well, I'm not. You would not believe what people have had to do. Organize counter protests with the Hell's Angels just to keep these people from jumping those attending funerals. Why would you be indifferent to WBC harassing people to such an extent? I have never seen such insanity in my life. It makes Kansas look like it is full of demented types. These people have no right to leave Kansas, come down here and irritate everyone. The way they protested earned them so many enemies it's ridiculous. They obviously are not very bright.
Where I live is really competitive to the states around it so when someone from Kansas comes here and acts like that...it's actually worse than if they had just been from here. They get mighty protective of the state and this is seen as an invasion from the north. My advice to them is just stay in Kansas and from the looks of their website, they have been doing that more and more. They just picket local venues. Every once in a while they attempt to show up at places that have a lot of media attention but more and more, they are confined to their home state because people don't want to see them.
WBC has a vendetta against the state I live and publishes their ill wishes on their website on a regular basis.



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21 Mar 2014, 11:27 am

ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
beneficii wrote:
I am completely indifferent to all this, beyond writing this post, that is.

Well, I'm not. You would not believe what people have had to do. Organize counter protests with the Hell's Angels just to keep these people from jumping those attending funerals. Why would you be indifferent to WBC harassing people to such an extent? I have never seen such insanity in my life. It makes Kansas look like it is full of demented types. These people have no right to leave Kansas, come down here and irritate everyone. The way they protested earned them so many enemies it's ridiculous. They obviously are not very bright.
Where I live is really competitive to the states around it so when someone from Kansas comes here and acts like that...it's actually worse than if they had just been from here. They get mighty protective of the state and this is seen as an invasion from the north. My advice to them is just stay in Kansas and from the looks of their website, they have been doing that more and more. They just picket local venues. Every once in a while they attempt to show up at places that have a lot of media attention but more and more, they are confined to their home state because people don't want to see them.
WBC has a vendetta against the state I live and publishes their ill wishes on their website on a regular basis.


My daughter's Godfather had taken part in a counter protest a few years ago when those idiots showed up to picket in Spokane, Washington. He had told me the WBC idiots were vastly outnumbered by a crowd consisting of everything from military veterans to drag queens - and as he said, a cause that can get such vastly different groups of people together can't be bad.


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21 Mar 2014, 11:32 am

Check out this bizarre article:




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For years, Phelps joked about the possibility that his own funeral would draw protests. During a sermon in 2006, he said a CNN reporter once asked how he would feel if that occurred.
"I'd love it. I'd invite them," Phelps told the reporter, according to the Wichita Eagle. "I said: 'I'll put in my will to pay your way. But not first class.' "
But Shirley Phelps-Roper, Phelps' daughter, said Westboro will not hold a funeral for its patriarch.
"We do not worship the dead," Phelps-Roper told CNN.


http://www.cnn.com/2014/03/20/us/westbo ... nder-dead/


Looks to me like they have a case of The Guilts.



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21 Mar 2014, 11:34 am

It should be noted that Fred Phelps is probably a rather irrelevant individual when it comes to LGBT rights. The extremism of WBC may even have accelerated the repeal of "Don't Ask Don't Tell" and DOMA.

A much more sinister organization is The American Family Association which has actually succeeded (for a time) in bullying companies into backtracking on LGBT-rights.



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21 Mar 2014, 11:38 am

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It should be noted that Fred Phelps is probably a rather irrelevant individual when it comes to LGBT rights. The extremism of WBC may even have accelerated the repeal of "Don't Ask Don't Tell" and DOMA.

A much more sinister organization is The American Family Association which has actually succeeded (for a time) in bullying companies into backtracking on LGBT-rights.


I agree. While the WBC was nothing more than headline hounding nutbars totally disconnected from mainstream society, the AFA actually has powerful political connections, and has been able to hide much of their lunacy from the public square, thus appearing almost mainstream.


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21 Mar 2014, 11:40 am

Kraichgauer wrote:
GGPViper wrote:
It should be noted that Fred Phelps is probably a rather irrelevant individual when it comes to LGBT rights. The extremism of WBC may even have accelerated the repeal of "Don't Ask Don't Tell" and DOMA.

A much more sinister organization is The American Family Association which has actually succeeded (for a time) in bullying companies into backtracking on LGBT-rights.


I agree. While the WBC was nothing more than headline hounding nutbars totally disconnected from mainstream society, the AFA actually has powerful political connections, and has been able to hide much of their lunacy from the public square, thus appearing almost mainstream.

Don't be surprised if WBC is a part of TAFA too. They probably do more than you realize.
They have a lot of lawyers in their family and it says in that article this started due to a complaint lodged at a city in Kansas against inappropriate behavior in a public park.
With all those lawyers, you can bet they are active in the political arena, too. Probably connected to the Koch brothers and everyone else on the far right. I am sure they have eaten dinner with the cast of Duck Dynasty a few times, too, and the owners of Chik Fil A.

Notice they never picket the Chik Fil As and have kept mum on Duck Dynasty? More than just coincidence probably.



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21 Mar 2014, 11:47 am

ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
GGPViper wrote:
It should be noted that Fred Phelps is probably a rather irrelevant individual when it comes to LGBT rights. The extremism of WBC may even have accelerated the repeal of "Don't Ask Don't Tell" and DOMA.

A much more sinister organization is The American Family Association which has actually succeeded (for a time) in bullying companies into backtracking on LGBT-rights.


I agree. While the WBC was nothing more than headline hounding nutbars totally disconnected from mainstream society, the AFA actually has powerful political connections, and has been able to hide much of their lunacy from the public square, thus appearing almost mainstream.

Don't be surprised if WBC is a part of TAFA too. They probably do more than you realize.
They have a lot of lawyers in their family and it says in that article this started due to a complaint lodged at a city in Kansas against inappropriate behavior in a public park.
With all those lawyers, you can bet they are active in the political arena, too. Probably connected to the Koch brothers and everyone else on the far right. I am sure they have eaten dinner with the cast of Duck Dynasty a few times, too, and the owners of Chik Fil A.

Notice they never picket the Chik Fil As and have kept mum on Duck Dynasty? More than just coincidence probably.


I didn't consider that. 8O


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21 Mar 2014, 11:52 am

In fact they will become worse, more likely, when they quieten down and work on the level of these others, behind the scenes and in politics, lobbying politicians and backing their own candidates. It's a neo conservative block in the middle of the country, West Virginia. and deep south fueled by energy revenues.
When they were doing ridiculous things they alienated people. When they stop doing that, they will stop shooting themselves in the foot.



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21 Mar 2014, 12:20 pm

Time to celebrate! :cheers: Image


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21 Mar 2014, 1:02 pm

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Well, perhaps the greatest revenge the world can have on Fred Phelps is to just move on and forget all about his hate filled tirades and protests. He's dead and in the ground now, and we can all forget he had ever been.


^this


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21 Mar 2014, 1:02 pm

GGPViper wrote:
It should be noted that Fred Phelps is probably a rather irrelevant individual when it comes to LGBT rights. The extremism of WBC may even have accelerated the repeal of "Don't Ask Don't Tell" and DOMA.

A much more sinister organization is The American Family Association which has actually succeeded (for a time) in bullying companies into backtracking on LGBT-rights.


^and this


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21 Mar 2014, 1:40 pm

I'm glad that guy is gone. He's done nothing but bad things for the plight of gay rights.



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21 Mar 2014, 5:43 pm

ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
GGPViper wrote:
It should be noted that Fred Phelps is probably a rather irrelevant individual when it comes to LGBT rights. The extremism of WBC may even have accelerated the repeal of "Don't Ask Don't Tell" and DOMA.

A much more sinister organization is The American Family Association which has actually succeeded (for a time) in bullying companies into backtracking on LGBT-rights.


I agree. While the WBC was nothing more than headline hounding nutbars totally disconnected from mainstream society, the AFA actually has powerful political connections, and has been able to hide much of their lunacy from the public square, thus appearing almost mainstream.

Don't be surprised if WBC is a part of TAFA too. They probably do more than you realize.
They have a lot of lawyers in their family and it says in that article this started due to a complaint lodged at a city in Kansas against inappropriate behavior in a public park.
With all those lawyers, you can bet they are active in the political arena, too. Probably connected to the Koch brothers and everyone else on the far right. I am sure they have eaten dinner with the cast of Duck Dynasty a few times, too, and the owners of Chik Fil A.

Notice they never picket the Chik Fil As and have kept mum on Duck Dynasty? More than just coincidence probably.


No, the Phelpseses are Democrats, plus the Kochs support same-sex marriage and are pro-choice.


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21 Mar 2014, 5:48 pm

Are they still Democrats? I know the old man back in his younger, saner days, had been a civil rights lawyer, but in more recent years, they've picked up the lunatic cry that Obama is the Anti-Christ.


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21 Mar 2014, 6:03 pm

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I'm glad that guy is gone. He's done nothing but bad things for the plight of gay rights.


On the contrary, I think he's done more for gay rights than any other individual person.


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21 Mar 2014, 6:32 pm

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Phelps was guilty of one thing, believing in the bible as the literal true word of god, no ifs buts or maybes. To be honest as much as I disliked the man he had more principles than the literal believers who 'cherry pick' around the most obnoxious teachings in the book and try to present these teachings eg stoning (one such, the Op recently tried to tell me that god, "it was important to understand", had never condoned the practice, read your bible MovieFan) as somehow an aberration. At least he had the courage of his convictions to accept His book at face value. Rightfully he poured scorn on those who wimped out, who cherry pick. DOnt get me wrong, he was a monumental f**** but at least he was an honest one.

I can only hope not one single protester turns up for his burial, as this would be the greatest affront a knowledgeable society could deliver to him and his family.


No, he wasn't honest, and he didn't have the courage of his convictions. He used Judaic law from the OT to justify his hatred. If he took the Bible literally, he would have practiced Christ's call to love his neighbor as himself.


Jesus added to the bible, he did not remove the old laws, in fact he was opposed to goyim as they did not follow the Law. The commandments remain, have you actually looked at the punishments for breaking them? 1-7 require death often by stoning, Jesus did not remove any of these punishments, indeed he reinforced them.

Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. 18 For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished Matthew 5:17-18

.If you are going to take some of the OT literally then you must take all of it literally, people like Moviefan accept homosexuality and idolatary are sins but baulk at the required punishments.

As to love thy neighbour and the golden rule, I suspect Phelps was quite principled in that he would have wished to be struck down for committing grievous sin. LIke I have said I despise what the man stood for but at least he was honest about what the Bible contains.


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