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30 Mar 2014, 3:06 pm

The_Walrus wrote:

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Now why would anybody vote for any Republican or Democrat, why not start a new party? The problem there is that our political system works completely against a third party, the is no proportional representation and the only thing running third party will do is possibly spoil the result for someone else. We have to work with in the two parties,

In presidential elections (where it is either black or white), you make a good point, but not in elections to the Senate or Congress.

If two US states elect Libertarians in upcoming elections, they'd probably have the deciding votes.

There are several real life examples of this working. Probably the best one is pre-WWI Britain, where the Liberal Party had to appeal to the Irish Nationalists in order to pass legislation. This would have resulted in Ireland becoming autonomous, except for the breakout of war on the continent.

Furthermore, if there are truly a majority of people who would prefer a third party, then it doesn't matter- they should all just go for it!

Congress is elected by plurality of votes, it isn't proportional in any way. Getting 10 or 20% of the vote is meaningless, you get no representation. You can only do what you describe by working thru the Republican or Democratic parties which is what is happening. In the Senate you don't really have any choice, you either caucus with the Republicans or Democrats even if you somehow get elected as a third party. After the November, one of the parties will probably have pretty slim majority so you'll start seeing a guy like Rand Paul play a lot more important role in the balance of power. The Tea Party is going to have a last effect on this country and it's politics while Occupy fizzled out, they worked thru the Republican party while Occupy had drum circles in the park.

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30 Mar 2014, 3:14 pm

^^^^ Yes, the US really needs proportional representation, but the current major parties have no incentive to actually implement that. They thrive on this dualism. If there was proportional representation they would have to cut deals with the Libertarians, the Greens, the Socialists etc.

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30 Mar 2014, 3:24 pm

LibertarianAS wrote:

http://reason.com/blog/2013/12/01/watch-john-stossel-ron-paul-matt-welch-p

DING DONG SOCIALISM IS DEAD , young people are AWAKENING

Young people are too educated to believe in all the cultural conservative sh** like anti-gay and anti-drugs rhetoric but are more and more economically educated to favor a FREE MARKET over socialism and big f***ing government

Nobody among the young believe more in marxism, feminism and climate alarmism and all cultural marxist idiocy spawned by the left idiocies, people who call themselves "marxists" "communists" "socialists" "social justice warriors" are day after day more marginalized and laughed of while the young are joining en masse the freedom-train rejecting both corpofascism and socialism

If you don't believe me JUST CHECK THE INTERNET: in most internet forum, message boards etc libertarians are rising and respected while
the fringe left is DEAD

Give me liberty or give me death. The YOUNGS MADE THEIR CHOICE: FREEDOM

Prepare because Libertarianism is Inevitable, we will free you and we ....will leave you alone

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Libertarianism= Logic, facts and the Science of economics
Socialism and leftism= emotional wacko-wacko overactions

SURRENDER YOU ARE SURROUNDED

Guess what - - that rejection of anti-gay, and anti-drug rhetoric comes from the left.

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30 Mar 2014, 3:27 pm

LibertarianAS wrote:

;)

Libertarianism= Logic, facts and the Science of economics
Socialism and leftism= emotional wacko-wacko overactions

SURRENDER YOU ARE SURROUNDED

The libertarians are NOT winning. The Liberal-Progressive are winning.

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30 Mar 2014, 3:35 pm

ArrantPariah wrote:

The_Walrus wrote:

Furthermore, if there are truly a majority of people who would prefer a third party, then it doesn't matter- they should all just go for it!

Particularly if the situation is, in fact, as LibertarianAS suggests, and absolutely everyone who is anyone is now a committed Libertarian.

Using my special Asperger logic powers, I further infer that - are you ready? - we're already in Libertopia. Minds blown, I bet.

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30 Mar 2014, 3:45 pm

Feels like a libertarian tent revival. Someone pass me a snake.

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30 Mar 2014, 3:50 pm

^^What kind would you like?

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30 Mar 2014, 3:59 pm

Misslizard wrote:

^^What kind would you like?

I for one will take a cobra, or some other extra poisonous kind, then depend on the almighty, all knowing free market to save me when it bites me.

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30 Mar 2014, 4:07 pm

^^^One Naja Naja coming up.Only one bite per customer.

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30 Mar 2014, 4:15 pm

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^^^One Naja Naja coming up.Only one bite per customer.

I'm afraid I'm not familiar with that particular beasty.

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30 Mar 2014, 4:55 pm

LibertarianAS wrote:

This site doesn't count, it is full of fake asperger "oooh I'm an IRL failure so I must have Asperger syndrome!!" that vote for Obama or have an hard-on for Lenin or 16 years old who never learn about the science of economics.

Please elaborate on how those people are "fake Asperger".

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30 Mar 2014, 5:03 pm

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LibertarianAS wrote:

Please elaborate on how those people are "fake Asperger".

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Despite having voted for Obama, I do in fact have an official diagnosis. So much for LibertarianAS' notion that only fake Aspies are liberals.

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30 Mar 2014, 5:13 pm

It was more than implied a while back by one of our nuttier liberals that I was faking Asperger's because I'm a conservative and my jingoistic avatar. I can't say who after using the term nuttier because then it would be a personal attack.

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30 Mar 2014, 6:02 pm

^^I thought it was because you didn't like comic books as a kid.

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30 Mar 2014, 6:07 pm

Kraichgauer wrote:

Misslizard wrote:

^^^One Naja Naja coming up.Only one bite per customer.

I'm afraid I'm not familiar with that particular beasty.

Spectacled Cobra.Remember Nag and Nagina in Rikki Tikki Tavi?

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30 Mar 2014, 6:41 pm

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Well, that's obviously as wrong to accuse you of such a thing as it is for LibertarianAS to make that sort of charge against the rest of us.

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