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14 Apr 2014, 4:08 pm

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How do that figure that?More people are becoming opened minded about same sex marriage,interracial marriage,use of marijuana,race relations,human rights,gay and lesbian's right to serve,seems like it's getting more liberal to me.


Well, a segment of society is becoming more liberal and open minded. But there is still a reactionary element that is very vocal and active in their opposition of all those good things you had listed. Just read the posts on Yahoo News, if you can stomach it, and you'll see what I mean. People who believe they are under siege react with everything from mere vitriol, to some act of violent lunacy, as recently at those Jewish community centers in Missouri.


Have you ever considered that most of them are just trolls trying to get a rise out of the more easily upset people?


Doubtlessly, a good many are. But I have no doubt that many others are quite sincere in their hate and loathing.


So? :shrug:
It's always going to be that way. If you'd ever been anywhere you'd have noticed the sheer size of the land and populace that makes up United States. The internet alone does not accurately give that perspective. Having said that, you cannot hope to comb out all of the extremists.


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14 Apr 2014, 4:10 pm

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The majority of conservatives I know are closed minded.Not all,but most.


The majority of liberals I know are closed minded. Not all,but most.


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14 Apr 2014, 4:10 pm

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How do that figure that?More people are becoming opened minded about same sex marriage,interracial marriage,use of marijuana,race relations,human rights,gay and lesbian's right to serve,seems like it's getting more liberal to me.


Well, a segment of society is becoming more liberal and open minded. But there is still a reactionary element that is very vocal and active in their opposition of all those good things you had listed. Just read the posts on Yahoo News, if you can stomach it, and you'll see what I mean. People who believe they are under siege react with everything from mere vitriol, to some act of violent lunacy, as recently at those Jewish community centers in Missouri.


Have you ever considered that most of them are just trolls trying to get a rise out of the more easily upset people?


Doubtlessly, a good many are. But I have no doubt that many others are quite sincere in their hate and loathing.


So? :shrug:
It's always going to be that way. If you'd ever been anywhere you'd have noticed the sheer size of the land and populace that makes up United States. The internet alone does not accurately give that perspective. Having said that, you cannot hope to comb out all of the extremists.


I never said it was possible - it was just an observation on my part.


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14 Apr 2014, 4:24 pm

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The majority of conservatives I know are closed minded.Not all,but most.


The majority of liberals I know are closed minded. Not all,but most.

Since I am now thinking of parrots,wonder what happened to AP?


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14 Apr 2014, 4:38 pm

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If conservatives are for less government....

but when it comes to peoples personal lives, what they do in their own time, and gay marrige for instance they want the government interfering and telling people how to live.


That's a poor example; other things being equal, getting married involves the government in one's personal life more than not getting married. Civil marriage is conferred by government, so government has to be involved.



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14 Apr 2014, 4:40 pm

Misslizard wrote:
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The majority of conservatives I know are closed minded.Not all,but most.


The majority of liberals I know are closed minded. Not all,but most.

Since I am now thinking of parrots,wonder what happened to AP?


Annual bridge structure inspection, maybe.....:shrug:


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14 Apr 2014, 8:49 pm

starkid wrote:
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If conservatives are for less government....

but when it comes to peoples personal lives, what they do in their own time, and gay marrige for instance they want the government interfering and telling people how to live.


That's a poor example; other things being equal, getting married involves the government in one's personal life more than not getting married. Civil marriage is conferred by government, so government has to be involved.


But there is a judgement involved here: basically the government says that one type of marriage ok, and another type is not ok. It is the government telling people how to live (basically saying that a homosexual relationship is worth less than a heterosexual one).



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14 Apr 2014, 8:53 pm

The research is founded on the false belief that the U.S. government says white people will be less than 50% of the population in 2042 whereas it is conceivable that white people will be a higher % of the total U.S. population in 2060 using the government numbers.

The 2012 census projects white people will be 68.9% of the population in 2060 and this excludes self-identified white people of two more mixed races "multi-racials".

U.S. Census Population projections (2012)

2060

Whites 68.9%
Non-Hispanic Whites 42.6%
African Americans 14.7%
Asian Americans 8.2%
Multiracial Americans 6.4%
Hispanics/Latinos (of any race) 30.6%
Non-Hispanics/Latinos (of any race) 69.4%

source, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographi ... ted_States



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14 Apr 2014, 9:13 pm

trollcatman wrote:
starkid wrote:
Sweetleaf wrote:
If conservatives are for less government....

but when it comes to peoples personal lives, what they do in their own time, and gay marrige for instance they want the government interfering and telling people how to live.


That's a poor example; other things being equal, getting married involves the government in one's personal life more than not getting married. Civil marriage is conferred by government, so government has to be involved.


But there is a judgement involved here: basically the government says that one type of marriage ok, and another type is not ok. It is the government telling people how to live (basically saying that a homosexual relationship is worth less than a heterosexual one).


In that case, the issue is not really whether or not the government interferes; it's about the government not interfering in the way some people want it to interfere.



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14 Apr 2014, 9:33 pm

starkid wrote:
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Sweetleaf wrote:
If conservatives are for less government....

but when it comes to peoples personal lives, what they do in their own time, and gay marrige for instance they want the government interfering and telling people how to live.


That's a poor example; other things being equal, getting married involves the government in one's personal life more than not getting married. Civil marriage is conferred by government, so government has to be involved.


But there is a judgement involved here: basically the government says that one type of marriage ok, and another type is not ok. It is the government telling people how to live (basically saying that a homosexual relationship is worth less than a heterosexual one).


In that case, the issue is not really whether or not the government interferes; it's about the government not interfering in the way some people want it to interfere.


That doesn't change that the government is telling people how to live.



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14 Apr 2014, 9:44 pm

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That doesn't change that the government is telling people how to live.


You're right, it doesn't, because all governments tell all of their citizens how to live to some extent. That is the purpose of government.



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14 Apr 2014, 10:14 pm

starkid wrote:
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That doesn't change that the government is telling people how to live.


You're right, it doesn't, because all governments tell all of their citizens how to live to some extent. That is the purpose of government.


I'm fine with that insofar as it involves the goverment telling me to respect the rights of other citizens (no stealing, speeding, murdering etc). The government telling gay people their relationship is worth s**t or the government telling people not to smoke weed in their own home, no.



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15 Apr 2014, 5:07 am

starkid wrote:
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How do that figure that?More people are becoming opened minded about same sex marriage,interracial marriage,use of marijuana,race relations,human rights,gay and lesbian's right to serve,seems like it's getting more liberal to me.


It seems uncharitable and simplistic to equate conservatism with closed-mindedness. To be open-minded is to be willing to consider others' views; it does not require the adoption of those views, so an increase in open-mindedness cannot imply that more people are adopting liberal values.


Then again:

conservative (kənˈsɜːvətɪv)

— adj
1. favouring the preservation of established customs, values, etc, and opposing innovation
2. of, characteristic of, or relating to conservatism
3. tending to be moderate or cautious: a conservative estimate
4. conventional in style or type: a conservative suit
5. med Compare radical (of treatment) designed to alleviate symptoms
6. physics a field of force, system, etc, in which the work done moving a body from one point to another is independent of the path taken between them: electrostatic fields of force are conservative

— n
7. a person who is reluctant to change or consider new ideas; conformist
8. a supporter or advocate of conservatism

Doesn't nessisarily mean none of them are open minded, but by definition a conservative is one who wants things to stay the same, doesn't want much change, prefers tradition over progressive change...so it would make sense many of them are close minded.


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15 Apr 2014, 5:11 am

starkid wrote:
Sweetleaf wrote:
If conservatives are for less government....

but when it comes to peoples personal lives, what they do in their own time, and gay marrige for instance they want the government interfering and telling people how to live.


That's a poor example; other things being equal, getting married involves the government in one's personal life more than not getting married. Civil marriage is conferred by government, so government has to be involved.


It would seem you missed the point, its not that getting married involves no government its that the government wants to interfere with two consenting adults getting married if they are the same gender. Getting on SSI involves the government in your life....doesn't mean they should then heavily monitor and regulate everything you do leaving you with no personal choices or freedom.


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15 Apr 2014, 5:13 am

starkid wrote:
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That doesn't change that the government is telling people how to live.


You're right, it doesn't, because all governments tell all of their citizens how to live to some extent. That is the purpose of government.


And it would seem a lot of conservatives think the government should do more of telling people how to live and which lifestyle to have...and less of supporting the infrastructure and its citizens.


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15 Apr 2014, 6:40 am

starkid wrote:
Sweetleaf wrote:
If conservatives are for less government....

but when it comes to peoples personal lives, what they do in their own time, and gay marrige for instance they want the government interfering and telling people how to live.


That's a poor example; other things being equal, getting married involves the government in one's personal life more than not getting married. Civil marriage is conferred by government, so government has to be involved.


Ummm . . .
Did you read DOMA when it was passed? It was much longer than the PPACA. Massive stacks of increased federal regulation does not seem like less government involvement to me.


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