If conservatives want to become relevant to the present

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It's the classic divide and conquer tactic.
Get the goold old American hunter with his Winchester model 70 over here and the "dangerous assault rifle" owner over there via vilification of one or both.
Just do a forum search for Raptor & Sonofghandi and you'll find pages and pages of back & forth arguing. I think it was at the end of the last one that he accused me of thinly veiled hate speech and/or racism.
Hey, if you can't bring anything of value to a debate then switch to personal attacks and/or accusations.

You seriously expect me to believe the tea party is a separate movement from the Republican Party? Since when have tea baggers ever run on any party ticket other than Republican?
As for knowing the NRA - I hear them on the news all the time claiming how gun rights are absolute, at the expense of all other rights. And I have little doubt that the insensitive pr*cks who say no one was ever shot by Adam Lanza, and everyone involved were actors have NRA or GOA membership. And no, I don't believe everyone in the NRA believes these things - but they aren't the ones in charge.
As for wh... what? - conservatives have always sided with the majority against the minority when that minority is oppressed. That goes for white southern conservative Democrats in the days of Jim Crow, and it goes for religious conservatives regarding the gay community.
Keeping us safe from industrial abuse - why yes. It's Republicans who want to strip environmental and consumer protection. Bribery isn't significantly knocking down those walls yet.
And finally regarding the gubmint webcams in your bedroom - well, not yet. Plenty of LGBT Americans can tell you how they've had to fight tooth and nail to love who they want, or at least make love to who they want. In some red states still, it's illegal for even married heterosexual couples to engage in oral and anal sex.

It started out as a grassroots movement but got hijacked. Still, the Tea Party and the GOP are not the same party. That was still a rather eelish attempt at moving the goalpost.


Again, the NRA does not screen it's members and anyone can join. Just because someone who happens to be an NRA member and a kook at the same time says something stupid that does not necessarily reflect NRA policy (read that rarely if ever). We've been over all this before.

The way you worded it the first time didnt make any sense. In case you didnt know, the Jim Crow days are long over.

Depends on who wants what bad enough. Regardless the party, it's going to come down to big money and crooked politics before the fat lady sings.

Oh, the ones you and yours want to in effect disarm and/or repeal the castle doctrine or SYG laws that they can and undoubtedly have used to protect themselves from those who would do them REAL harm?
Uh huh.....

So they can just pull the blinds shut and have at it. What the sex police don't know won't hurt anyone.

Next....

No, no, no, you can't seriously believe the tea party and the Republican party are two different entities. If so, why does the Republican party hang on their every word? Why do Republican leaders like Boehner fear them? When have the tea party ever run on the Democratic ticket? So much for the tea baggers being separate from the Republican party.
As for the NRA - granted, the organization can't be blamed for the lunatics gun fetishists who doubtlessly masturbate to Guns And Ammo, but that doesn't make the NRA leadership sane.
And thank God Jim Crow has gone to the grave - but that doesn't mean all racism is gone, or that religious minorities and gays don't have civil rights concerns.
And in closing - sure, like anyone else I could close the blinds against the Big Brother peeping tom, but why should I have to live in fear of disclosure?

Yes, yes, yes. The Tea Party started off as a libertarian offshoot of the Republican Party but it soon hijacked by hard right and Jeusus Freak reactionary Republicans.

I don't think there is a functioning mind left in the Republican Party.. They have assimilated the statist premises of the Liberal Progressive. Now they want to establish Cronie Care for their buddies from the Big Corporations and the hell with the Middle Class which is the only group of people capable of running this country right.

ruveyn

Go back and read what I said before. And they are still not the same party, period.

What exactly is a gun fet-ish-ist, anyway? And if you're all for sexual freedom what do you care of someone beats off with a Guns & Ammo magazine? I'm sensing hypocrisy.

Yeah, if there was no racism or homophobia about one third of the reason for the democratic party to exist would be gone. The other two thirds are peaceniks and the poor.


Too keep little kids from seeing.

Next....

Kraichgauer wouldn't have liked the tea party in it's original form anyway since they weren't into handing out free money....

Raptor-
No fair, you've bombarded me with three different posts to answer, and The Big Bang Theory is just starting!

/\ Maybe if you didnt always insist on painting a target on yourself.......
Well, you've got all night to come back with something because it's time for me to trudge off to the salt mines.....

Well, while you go off to the salt mines, my excuse is drinking too much to give my old friend - the Valiant - a send off. And yes, I am feeling very sad.

The US government presently takes 30-40% of a middle class person's income

Federal Income Tax 25% to 28% for a middle class income
State Tax ~4-6% varies per state (a few are 0% and many are 7-10%)
City tax/County tax 1-2% for some jurisdictions e.g., Detroit has 1% tax for residents, and 2% city tax for non-residents working in the city
Medicare 1.45%
Social Security Tax 6.2%
Property Taxes ~2-4% of income
Sales Tax/Use tax/Preparation Tax ~.5% of income
Tons of add on taxes ~.5%

If conservatives want to stay relevant they need to cut taxes and let the middle class keep more of their money.

Or... they could see to it that the middle class gets more for their tax dollars, as tax payers in many western countries do.

Why don't you explain to us how that would work.

In many western European countries taxation is much higher, but they also get many more benefits for their taxes that we Americans don't get for ours.
I think you ought to know that, Dox.

Oh, see the way you said it before, it sounded like you were talking about some sort of streamlining, but now you're actually talking about raising taxes.

People in Germany, France, Belgium, etc. pay higher taxes than we do, but get so much back that they would not have it any other way. I think most Americans wouldn't mind that after getting used to it.