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30 Jul 2014, 2:23 pm

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There's no evidence to disprove evolution not being true thus it's not true.


So many negatives in one sentence. This is nearly unparseable.

Ok. I give up. I can't parse this sentence.


LOL!

I think that he MEANT "there is no evidence that it is true, therefore it is false."

Or he MIGHT have meant that "evolution is not falsifiable, therefore it is not a viable scientific hypothesis". Which might be an interesting point to raise. But the same charge could be leveled at Creationism as well.

But it came out of his pen as "there is no evidence to disprove E not being true thus its not true" which would mean "there is no evidence that evolution is false, therefore evolution is false" which doesnt make any sense.



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30 Jul 2014, 3:46 pm

He's making a straw man argument. He's saying that scientists believe evolution because it hasn't been proven false, just like creationists believe in God because no one can prove it false. Therefore science is just as irrational as religion. It's not a good analogy, because not only has evolution not be proven false, it's been proven true.



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30 Jul 2014, 10:49 pm

http://youtu.be/aDaOgu2CQtI

These guys know what's up.



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30 Jul 2014, 11:04 pm

Or these guys
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UFc3DDTPXXo[/youtube]


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30 Jul 2014, 11:21 pm

You can have religion and evolution together, just take into consideration a god that also evolves and evolves with the universe as it evolves.


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30 Jul 2014, 11:26 pm

Raptor wrote:
Or these guys
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UFc3DDTPXXo[/youtube]


Nice.

Really though, seriously. We have people right now that are doing some pritty crazy experiments with DNA. Laws are the only things to keep them from doing more. We have horses that people evolved. They were smaller than a goat. Turned dogs into nothing more than a crap toy that can't live in the wild for more than a week without getting killed by a bald eagle. Cats too. All of which domesticated, and evolved from humans. Neanderthals gone. Evolved. Interbred into a different species. New stuff going on here and there. Small amounts, but noticable. The ways and the means are probably wrong, but it exists none the less.

I dunno why I waste time on this. Soo unimportant to tell. Look at your family tree, that should give it away right there. Your momma was a -------------. :lol:



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31 Jul 2014, 12:59 am

AspergianMutantt wrote:
You can have religion and evolution together, just take into consideration a god that also evolves and evolves with the universe as it evolves.

God, the Scientist, is another possibility.

http://www.godthescientist.org/



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31 Jul 2014, 1:03 am

Humanaut wrote:
AspergianMutantt wrote:
You can have religion and evolution together, just take into consideration a god that also evolves and evolves with the universe as it evolves.

God, the Scientist, is another possibility.

http://www.godthescientist.org/


Well, the concept is pretty simple, if god is all things, then it only strands to reason that as the universe evolves so does god.


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31 Jul 2014, 1:40 am

If God = Universe then true, but some believe God is an additional entity.



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31 Jul 2014, 2:56 am

The existence of evolution is a scientific fact; the mechanisms, ie. how things happen in evolution, are set of theories (which are too strongly supported by tons of evidences).

You simply don't know what evolution is, you remind me of a muslim girl who once told me "how comes my grand grandfather wasn't a dinosaur?". This only means you don't understand even the very fundamentals of evolution, it is not like a pokemon game where you can suddenly evolve a fish to a dragon.



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31 Jul 2014, 3:03 am

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
The existence of evolution is a scientific fact; the mechanisms, ie. how things happen in evolution, are set of theories (which are too strongly supported by tons of evidences).


Exactly; it is ridiculous that today there are evolution deniers. Especially as we are now unravelling our DNA ancestry and that of other animals and plants. This clearly shows what animals have common ancestors e.g. humans and chimpanzees share a close common ancestor... heck it is giving us information to compile the entire family tree of every species of animal and plant in existence! This is a much more powerful guide to our evolutionary past than the fossil record.


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31 Jul 2014, 3:48 am

Yes, as TallyMan rightly points out, the genetic evidence for evolution is strongest of all. Even if we had never found any fossils, none at all, once we discovered DNA and started comparing the DNA of different species we would have discovered evolution happens.

I am amazed and saddened by the consistently high poll numbers of those who deny the reality of evolution. It is amazing that in 21st century America so many people can be so misinformed about this. It is just as insane and just as ridiculous as if half the people in this country seriously believed the earth is flat in spite of all evidence to the contrary. IT IS THAT STUPID!

Granted, part of those high poll numbers may be the result of how the poll questions are phrased. Several polls I have seen phrase the questions and possible answers so poorly that people who aren't sure will choose answers that make the population of the USA look stupider than it actually is.

The good news is that as we learn more and more about the mechanisms and history of evolution sooner or later this information will trickle down to the public and more and more people will realize how much they have been LIED to by some religious sources about this subject. I know I don't like being lied to, and I think most other humans also don't appreciate being lied to. Certain churches are going to lose a lot of members in the future unless they man up and admit they were wrong about this.


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31 Jul 2014, 4:05 am

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chromosome_2_(human)

This is only one of the strong genetic evidences.

So tell me salad, why God has created Chromosome 2 in humans to look as if they were two chromosomes, like how other high primates have?



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31 Jul 2014, 4:06 am

TheBicyclingGuitarist wrote:
Certain churches are going to lose a lot of members in the future unless they man up and admit they were wrong about this.

Most have already moved the goalposts by accepting theistic evolution.

Some numbers:

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31 Jul 2014, 4:16 am

TheBicyclingGuitarist wrote:
The good news is that as we learn more and more about the mechanisms and history of evolution sooner or later this information will trickle down to the public and more and more people will realize how much they have been LIED to by some religious sources about this subject. I know I don't like being lied to, and I think most other humans also don't appreciate being lied to. Certain churches are going to lose a lot of members in the future unless they man up and admit they were wrong about this.


The problem is people tend to believe propaganda when they are consistently fed a diet of it. The Jehovah's Witnesses are indoctrinated with creationism from the outset, they even indoctrinate their children and similarly other fundamentalist religious organisations. Those who are indoctrinated never get to see the truth or they are literally prevented from seeing it as per my example above of the Muslim students banned by their imam from attending the classes on evolution at university. In certain cultures, particularly within Islam, evolution is often forbidden knowledge. Then there are these creationist nuts who set up creationist websites and spread a whole load of misinformation and outright lies but the layman can't see through their bogus "science" and realise they are talking nonsense... rather like Hooday on here recently who started spouting the laws of thermodynamics in an attempt to discredit evolution - this might seem intimidating to those without a scientific background, but I and several others knew he was just using big words and science that he clearly didn't understand and was just parroting misinformation he'd picked up off a creationist website. Maybe this ignorance about evolution will carry on indefinitely amongst certain religious people for whom evolution is a step too far against their beliefs. Given the choice of the truth or their beliefs, they choose their beliefs.

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31 Jul 2014, 4:24 am

Anyone looking forward to Prometheus 2 to see how aliens may have originally designed humans, and there was no evolution per se?

Our "GOD" may have encoded the "primordial goo" with the pre-determination of humans, so that "evolution" is just an illusion.

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