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10 Oct 2014, 8:52 pm

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1. Having lived in the US all my life I must have missed all the encouragement of arrogance, stupidity, and ignorance.
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In this country, the word 'cowboy' is synonymous with cavalier, reckless behaviour.

It has that meaning just about everywhere, not just in Ireland or wherever this country is.
Do you have a point to make?

Cowboys are an american institution. Maybe its just me, but I thought that part was obvious.

Very few Americans are "cowboys". That is obvious as well.
And again, if you're that bothered by our cavalier and reckless behaviour then simply stay on your side of the pond......

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10 Oct 2014, 9:13 pm

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thomas81 wrote:

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1. Having lived in the US all my life I must have missed all the encouragement of arrogance, stupidity, and ignorance.
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In this country, the word 'cowboy' is synonymous with cavalier, reckless behaviour.

It has that meaning just about everywhere, not just in Ireland or wherever this country is.
Do you have a point to make?

Cowboys are an american institution. Maybe its just me, but I thought that part was obvious.

Very few Americans are "cowboys". That is obvious as well.
And again, if you're that bothered by our cavalier and reckless behaviour then simply stay on your side of the pond......

Very few Americans are cowboys but nearly all cowboys are Americans.

Its not that i'm particularly bothered, but those that are unfortunate enough to be on your side of the pond should rack it up on their list of reasons to feel anxious about idiots walking around with loaded firearms.

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10 Oct 2014, 9:18 pm

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I don't think that was Heinlein's point.

He generally meant that the bad guys and thugs would fear for themselves more if everyone was armed to some extent.

"An armed society is a polite society. Manners are good when one may have to back up his acts with his life."
-Robert A. Heinlein

Yeah, which is pretty much what I said. Mannerly encompasses many a thing.

Though I'd change the quote to, "A society will always have bad elements to it, so you just got to roll with it; some want to be armed, some don't--let them choose."

I don't like people that don't want to be armed forcing their way of life on those that do. It's no different than any other form of prejudice. It's funny how it's rarely seen that way.

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10 Oct 2014, 10:14 pm

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1. Having lived in the US all my life I must have missed all the encouragement of arrogance, stupidity, and ignorance.
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In this country, the word 'cowboy' is synonymous with cavalier, reckless behaviour.

It has that meaning just about everywhere, not just in Ireland or wherever this country is.
Do you have a point to make?

Cowboys are an american institution. Maybe its just me, but I thought that part was obvious.

Very few Americans are "cowboys". That is obvious as well.
And again, if you're that bothered by our cavalier and reckless behaviour then simply stay on your side of the pond......

So call me an idiot that walks around with a loaded gun (I do) and get over it already.

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10 Oct 2014, 10:21 pm

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Its not that i'm particularly bothered, but those that are unfortunate enough to be on your side of the pond should rack it up on their list of reasons to feel anxious about idiots walking around with loaded firearms.

How fortunate we are that criminals are all certified geniuses. So we needn't be concerned about them.

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10 Oct 2014, 10:32 pm

Idiots will walk around with whatever they want.

That's always been the case and always will. You've got to get over that, or you'll be a p**** your whole life.

I don't know where some people grab their logic from; it must be repeating dumb s**t they hear from their stupid parents or other authority figures, like with religion.

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11 Oct 2014, 11:02 am

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Its a conflict flashpoint; its an entirely different context. It was politically motivated with men who wouldn't otherwise be in posession of weapons had the contentions surrounding sovereignty and civil rights not been there.

The 'sniper at work' sign was a propaganda statement, nothing more.

IRA men were never brazenly walking around with guns at every opportunity unlike amateur nuts in the USA, subtley and secrecy were part of their very code.

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So call me an idiot that walks around with a loaded gun (I do) and get over it already.

I have nothing to get over; its not my country as you said. That being said and done it doesn't mean that i have no right to an opinion or that my opinion is any less valid.

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How fortunate we are that criminals are all certified geniuses. So we needn't be concerned about them.

Of course not, but your liberal gun laws hardly made it harder for run of the mill idiots across the board to get their hands on guns.

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11 Oct 2014, 11:33 pm

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Worked for years for a drugstore chain.

Among of the most frequently shoplifted items in a drugstore are: padlocks!

One store manager I met told me he even once caught a priest pocketing a padlock.

For some reason the topic reminded me of that.

I've absent-mindedly put items (which I fully intended to pay for) in my coat pockets before. I've even walked out with things, and had to return to the store to pay for them. I've been either lucky, or the benefit of white female privilege (ie, no one pays any attention to a white woman shopping), that no one has ever caught me/ charged me with anything.

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12 Oct 2014, 8:57 am

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"like America where arrogance, stupidity and ignorance is encouraged" How rude.

And Wow! After hearing about all those abused by the Church (black?) in Ireland for so many years I was sure you were going to say Ireland (where Christians kill each other with bombs and guns) instead of America. Isn't this also where the merchants helped to starve the Irish during the potato shortage? And isn't America where they escaped to? What nice traits the folks in GB have developed.

I suggest you might look less the fool if you keep your comments to what you know and the inequities around YOU, instead of pointing the finger.

Wars are rarely fought for 'clever' reasons. Christians in Hibernia don't 'kill each other' primarilly because they are christian but because of their background and due to which are percieved to have different loyalties owing to the Northern Ireland sovereignty question. The fact that one side is a different christian denomination from the other is more of a historical fait accomplis than the sole reason for the antagonism. Its a very complicated, centuries old scenario that can not be crystallised solely either to religion or nationality but a unique and bizarre mixture of both. In any case, I don't and never expect foreigners to understand it. Heck, most people living in the British isles don't understand it.

Anyway, i digress. Of course America as either a society or nation was never always this brazen and arrogant, but never in its short history has it been in charge of so much political and economic power. To borrow a simile it is like a young child that has found its father's gun. Granted. a very fat and bulky child, stinking to high heaven of cheese snacks with burger relish running down his lips, but a young child nonetheless.

About the potato famine refugees that is a fair point, but a sizable proportion of those people also went to England and Australia as well. Anyway i was more talking about America in the context of how it is now, particularly in the post-british empire world and as it is percieved to be the world's 'top dog'. That is the arrogant America of which i speak.

The arrogant America without which you'd be communicating in German right now and a man on the moon would be only a dream.

Instead consider your side of the pond as a wasted forlorn area filthy with old mental afflictions and people killing ling each other and filling mass graves over some oh! so precious old reason no one remembers be it Christians or Muslims. But that's not to be noticed?

But somehow you'd try to blame the U.S.? You sound like a mouthpiece for Russian or Chinese interests. I wonder what country provides more medical aid to the rest of the world when needed?

I wish everyone would clean their own house before throwing stones.

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12 Oct 2014, 4:25 pm

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The arrogant America without which you'd be communicating in German right now

Not recessarilly. The Soviet Union did more to thwart Hitlers progression, and in any case, Hitler had given up plans of operation sea lion after the battle of britain (before America's intervention).

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and a man on the moon would be only a dream.

Again, not necessarilly. America were only able to reach the moon because of German technology and brains. The reason they had to frogmarch German scientists back at the end of thompson gun is because they were too dumb to do it on their own.

If it hadn't been for America, the flag there right now might be a nicer shade of red and gold, which to me isn't necessarilly a bad thing.

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But somehow you'd try to blame the U.S.? You sound like a mouthpiece for Russian or Chinese interests. I wonder what country provides more medical aid to the rest of the world when needed?

Maybe. All i know is that America's interests certainly don't coincide with mine.

As for medical aid, which country hosts most of the financial institutions that spearlead the penury of third world nations in the first place? Which country distributes most weapons, most corrupt and malignant corporations and the most loose ethics? Which country represents the most obscenely unfair difference between wealthiest and poorest?

I'm not arguing that the medical aid isn't positive, I'm arguing that the sum of American contribution is negative.

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12 Oct 2014, 7:15 pm

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So where have you been in the US where all these "amateur nuts" were brazenly walking around armed?

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So call me an idiot that walks around with a loaded gun (I do) and get over it already.

I have nothing to get over; its not my country as you said. That being said and done it doesn't mean that i have no right to an opinion or that my opinion is any less valid.

Your opinion is an uninformed one.

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How fortunate we are that criminals are all certified geniuses. So we needn't be concerned about them.

Of course not, but your liberal gun laws hardly made it harder for run of the mill idiots across the board to get their hands on guns.

Funny how cities with the strictest gun laws still have more than their fair share of gun related crimes.....
You know, that "Gun Control Challenge" thread that Dox started 2 years ago is still open and waiting for one of your kind to tackle it.

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12 Oct 2014, 7:20 pm

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So where have you been in the US where all these "amateur nuts" were brazenly walking around armed?
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My attendance was not required. There is enough anecotal stories of said amateur nuts on the internet, case in point the idiot in the story of the OP who had his pistol exposed.

I've only been to the United States twice, which was a long time ago and i'm not in a huge hurry to return for several reasons, not least of all the attitude regarding firearms.

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crimes in general rarely happen because of the inherent evil nature of people. In those cities with high gun crime rates it would be interesting reading to see how it correlates against other factors like poverty, access to education, access to employment, so on and so fourth.

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12 Oct 2014, 7:45 pm

For all the hand wringing about open carry, can anyone actually show that it causes problems? As in violent problems, not 'people who are ignorant of the law freaking out' problems?

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12 Oct 2014, 8:06 pm

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So where have you been in the US where all these "amateur nuts" were brazenly walking around armed?.

My attendance was not required. There is enough anecotal stories of said amateur nuts on the internet, case in point the idiot in the story of the OP who had his pistol exposed.

Ah, good old internet stories. And so what if is postol is exposed? Personally, unless I'm out in the boonies, I prefer concealed carry but that's just me. I do and always will support open carry for those who prefer that. So please explain to the rest of the class how open (or concealed) carry is such a menace to society. BTW, "I feel" or "I saw it on the internet" aren't explanations.

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I've only been to the United States twice, which was a long time ago and i'm not in a huge hurry to return for several reasons, not least of all the attitude regarding firearms.

Yeah, more like can't afford it, therefor making it a sour grapes issue.

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Hmm..... couldn't counter the strict gun laws vs. gun crime point so you moved the goal posts.

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12 Oct 2014, 8:20 pm

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If this is sort of story serves as a reliable microcosm, then i reserve my point.
http://news.sky.com/story/1344107/resta ... n-carriers

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IYeah, more like can't afford it, therefor making it a sour grapes issue.

Uh, not at all. I have been to other countries in that time and have got more value out of my money as a result. America, of what i have seen of it, is vastly over rated. I can only go by what i have seen in the tourist trap but the people there weren't exactly the most hospitable or friendliest and the culture stinks of dog eat dog greed, everywhere someone is trying to sell something. This was in the 90s so god knows how bad it is now. The food as i recall, was nothing to write home about either.

It may also come to a shock to you, but America isn't the most expensive place to go to. The one good thing i will say about my time there is that i found the cost of petty purchases and gifts are notably lower than they tend to be here or in Europe.

As a general tourist, I find the prospect of going to somewhere like Sweden far more daunting for cost reasons.

My kids keep bugging me to go to Disney World, but i have discovered since there is one in Hong Kong. Luckilly i will be able to keep my kids happy and go somewhere with decent food and a sense of history longer than 200 years.

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Hmm..... couldn't counter the strict gun laws vs. gun crime point so you moved the goal posts.

I have moved nothing. I have always maintained a correlation between crime and poverty.

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