I cannot comprehend Gamergate

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01 Jan 2015, 6:48 pm

If people were against the Iraq war they were said to be 'Saddam lovers'

You are using a similar logical leap if you think I endorse death threats.

The death threats are from a small minority, the majority of gamergate people dont do that.

That's like judging all muslims based on Benghazi or all white people based on the KKK

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01 Jan 2015, 6:57 pm

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She was getting favourable coverage in the media from the men she was sleeping with.
It's more the men who are the ones who should be getting the anger for letting their journalistic ethics slide.

Also these journalists liked to collude:
http://www.breitbart.com/london/2014/09 ... ism-elite/

That has been thoroughly debunked. At least one guy who the GGers claimed she slept with to get good reviews actually never even reviewed her game. Also, Why do we even care how many men a woman sleeps with. If man sleeps around with many women, nobody cares but if a woman does the same thing? Oh boy!

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01 Jan 2015, 7:16 pm

Jono wrote:

Also, Why do we even care how many men a woman sleeps with. If man sleeps around with many women, nobody cares but if a woman does the same thing? Oh boy!

I agree, but I also don't like to see dishonest tactics being employed, so when someone tries to equate all GamerGaters with the Quinn incident and the threats, I challenge them on it out of respect for basic fairness.

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01 Jan 2015, 7:19 pm

Dox47 wrote:

Jono wrote:

Also, Why do we even care how many men a woman sleeps with. If man sleeps around with many women, nobody cares but if a woman does the same thing? Oh boy!

The hashtag is synonymous now with hatred towards those who have a disability, are a woman, are transgendered, gay, lesbian, etc.

Sorry, but I'm going to equate anyone who agrees with the hashtag as someone who is a prejudice prick. It was started with the goddamned Zoe Quinn "slut shaming" video, and if you want proof, go back and look when the term was first used.

Do tell, if GG does not support hatred, then why are the figureheads (that steroid freak guy, TB, Adam Baldwin and Milo, who himself is gay, yet is homophobic) not denouncing the behavior?

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01 Jan 2015, 8:45 pm

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The hashtag is synonymous now with hatred towards those who have a disability, are a woman, are transgendered, gay, lesbian, etc.

Is that so? Is it because it actually is those things, or because people like yourself keep saying that it is? It's kind of an important distinction. I mean it's a circular argument either way...

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Sorry, but I'm going to equate anyone who agrees with the hashtag as someone who is a prejudice prick. It was started with the goddamned Zoe Quinn "slut shaming" video, and if you want proof, go back and look when the term was first used.

And I'm going to equate anyone making this kind of statement with poor critical thinkers whose opinions shouldn't be taken particularly seriously, at least if you're into intelligent discourse; guess which one of us can back their argument up?

Notice that neither I nor anyone else participating in this thread has denied that the hashtag started with the Quinn fiasco, you're arguing with a strawman.

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Do tell, if GG does not support hatred, then why are the figureheads (that steroid freak guy, TB, Adam Baldwin and Milo, who himself is gay, yet is homophobic) not denouncing the behavior?

Anyone can use the hashtag, it's an organic group, and projecting monolithic beliefs onto them is simplistic at best. I don't feel the need to apologize for or condemn every person who shares one belief or another with me who has also expressed some unpopular sentiment, and I don't expect that from anyone else either. Is your tree bereft of nuts?

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01 Jan 2015, 9:23 pm

andrethemoogle wrote:

Do tell, if GG does not support hatred, then why are the figureheads (that steroid freak guy, TB, Adam Baldwin and Milo, who himself is gay, yet is homophobic) not denouncing the behavior?

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I thoroughly condemn the idea that my followers and viewers are horrible people who would engage in harassment. I accept the obvious, that in such a huge group there will be some a**holes and I also accept the reality that I can do nothing about that. I will not apologise for things I did not do or provoke, I will not apologise for defending my audience. Feel free to do the appropriate mental gymnastics to justify your horrendous abuse, if you were one of the ones who perpetrated it. Despite how hurtful yesterday was, I'm kind of glad it happened. It exposed some of these people for what they truly are. Vicious, deluded, self-righteous abusers. If someone like that tells you you are part of a hate group, tell them to look in a mirror.

This, along with Dox47's reply, is arguably a lot more than needs to be said. The very idea that anyone anywhere should accept any responsibility for the behaviour of anonymous a**holes on the internet is ridiculous in the very least.

Milo has been the target of death threats, doxxing and even received a syringe full of who-knows-what in the mail as a result of his coverage of GG. But it's only fair that we should demand he denounce such behaviour publicly and loudly, right?

As for Adam Baldwin, much as I enjoy his body of acting work, I pay little attention to what celebrities have to say on twitter. I did find this tweet though, after a little googling:

Adam Baldwin wrote:

“I have the presence of mind to realize it’s a minority of voices making stupid accusations, threats, etc

As a left-leaning moderate, I agree with Mr. Cleese whole-heartedly.

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01 Jan 2015, 10:54 pm

according to "mother jones", an award-winning investigative journalism magazine, gamergate is mostly violent backlash against women who complain about being made victims and objectified in video games.

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01 Jan 2015, 11:08 pm

andrethemoogle wrote:

Dox47 wrote:

Jono wrote:

Also, Why do we even care how many men a woman sleeps with. If man sleeps around with many women, nobody cares but if a woman does the same thing? Oh boy!

But, you are supporting a rapist, thus, by your own logic your points are invalid. Before you whine about Zoe Quinn not being a rapist, she is since she defines herself as a rapist since anyone who cheated on someone is a rapist to her. Next time you start complaining about stuff please try have logical consistency.

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01 Jan 2015, 11:11 pm

When did she say that? Do you have proof? I suspect not.

Also, don't you ever f*****g dare accuse me of supporting rape ever again, do I make myself clear?

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01 Jan 2015, 11:22 pm

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When did she say that? Do you have proof? I suspect not.

Also, don't you ever f*****g dare accuse me of supporting rape ever again, do I make myself clear?

Zoe Quinn is apart of the whole "infidelity is rape" group. Thus by her own logic she is a rapist.

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01 Jan 2015, 11:35 pm

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Also, don't you ever f*****g dare accuse me of supporting rape ever again, do I make myself clear?

I'm pretty sure you're supporting the rape of intelligence by perpetuating "us versus them" (arguably the most insidious tactic people use to garner support).

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01 Jan 2015, 11:36 pm

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According to Reason also an award winning magazine that does investigative journalism, it's more complicated than that.

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01 Jan 2015, 11:51 pm

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cathylynn wrote:

According to Reason also an award winning magazine that does investigative journalism, it's more complicated than that.

i read the reason article. it is obviously biased. what sorts of awards did reason win? something from the heritage foundation?

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01 Jan 2015, 11:57 pm

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i read the reason article. it is obviously biased. what sorts of awards did reason win? something from the heritage foundation?

Seriously? After you just quoted Mother Jones as a source? Like, literally the punchline when someone makes a joke about left wing periodicals?

Also, care to point out any of this "obvious bias"? If it's so obvious, it shouldn't be a problem for you.

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02 Jan 2015, 12:05 am

Dox47 wrote:

cathylynn wrote:

i read the reason article. it is obviously biased. what sorts of awards did reason win? something from the heritage foundation?

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02 Jan 2015, 12:08 am

Dox47 wrote:

cathylynn wrote:

i read the reason article. it is obviously biased. what sorts of awards did reason win? something from the heritage foundation?

one simple example of bias: the only women it quotes are pro-gamergaters.

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