What do you think about forced vaccination?

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People give too much credence to random anecdotes when making decisions.

That some people will experience something negative directly after receiving an immunization is certain.

Whether the immunization caused it is a serious question. Also, how often this happens is the very most important question.

I guarantee you, for example, that some day in the next 30 days, some pregnant woman will miscarry directly after receiving an immunization.

How do i know this? The sheer number of pregnant women in the world, the number, on average, who miscarry in a month, and the number who will be immunized.

But the numbers suggest that it was as likely to happen directly before the immunization.

It is not said to be rude, but the perspective is important.

This is why the vaccine court exists in the usa. Claims of injury are certain. Some of the injuries will be due to the shot and some of them won't. If we let regular civil courts handle it, it would become a circus of expert witnesses and narrow arguments of 'best possible care' and threats of class action.

Give the same product to 5 million people and a few thousand will have a very bad day but was that your fault?

I approve of forced vaccination.

I've been going on anti-vax pages and boards for a while and have seen them constantly pull out "Correlation = Causation" when that is just not the case. Of course, when the proof is right in front of them, they flat out refuse to believe it... there's no arguing with them, no convincing them. Their fear is too strong.

Just the other day, California made it so that personal and religious exemptions are no longer allowed for entry into public school, and the people freaking out about it aren't reading the law, they assume that they're going to be having vaccines forced on them but that's not the case. Their fear is based in myths propagated by uneducated people who can't read a scientific study if their life depended on it.

better to be rude than to spout misinformation about treatments that save lives.

I didn't really mean to be rude or dismissive.

But here of all places we are aware that when bad things happen, people scramble to make cause and effect relationships.

When those are made based on emotions like fear, the wrong connection is usually made.

Well, you did compare lifesaving medical treatment to mass-murder, torture, and the total removal of privacy. I think it's only fair to expect a less than patient tone in response.

I Would like to specifically apologize to pawelk1986 though.

Almost dying because of an allergic reaction must really suck. Sorry you went through that.

That's why, when they give flu shots here in the USA, they have epinephrine shots handy, and they ask people who haven't received a flu shot before or who have had any kind of reaction before to stay for observation for several minutes.

So if they start going into anaphylaxis, they can get the epi shot and survive just fine. Though it's still not fun.

Allergic reactions to most vaccines are very rare. However rare doesn't mean impossible.

The CDC says that although more than 70,000,000 people in the united states have received the combination measles-mumps-rubella vaccine, there have only ever been 33 reported cases of anaphylaxis associated with it, and only 11 of those cases both occurred directly after the vaccine was administered AND were consistent with known symptoms of anaphylaxis.

For perspective, when measles first became a nationally reportable disease in 1912 - meaning that doctors have to report each diagnosed case to the government - over 6000 people died from measles.

In the late fifties and early sixties, that number was down to about 450 people per year, due to better sanitation and better care. And that doesn't count the hundreds or thousands of people who got very ill.

The measles vaccine first became available in 1963, and we have 33 reported cases of a severe reaction, and only 11 of them are likely entirely credible.

Today we are down to 0 deaths from measles. But people keep importing it from other countries, and last year there were hundreds of confirmed illnesses, and the number of illnesses is trending upward - largely due to people who wrongly suspect that vaccines are bad.

So i think the numbers are clearly in favor of vaccination.