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Nah because they would enter into a contract where they have to work later. It is simply giving them more freedom about when they will work. It will give them more time to sow their wild oats and grow up some before saddling them with tons of responsibility.

There's nothing wrong with older people at work for jobs they can actually do.

Why do you not want to see younger people working hard and becoming responsible adults?

Do you really think that you magically become responsible when you have never had to be anything but irresponsible before?

If you don't learn to be responsible when you are young, you will never be responsible when you are older.

I disagree. Many aren't responsible and don't have it together until they are more mature and maturity happens as you get older. It is not piling on responsibilities that makes you mature. That's where the mistakes are made. It takes time. Just think of all the problems that could be avoided.

The way it is now, people are pressured to do a lot at a young age, perhaps more than is actually good for them and then when they are old they are expected to go away and do nothing at all. Older people could actually be better at many tasks than younger simply because they have outgrown the immaturity.

Let me get this straight. Young people make mistakes because they are not mature and older people don't make the same mistakes because they are mature. The reality is that you learn to avoid mistakes through experience. If you wait until you are older to gain experience, then you are going to be making mistakes when you are older that you should have already learned to avoid. What your approach is geared to do is to maximize mistakes.



Very few people are pressured to do more than is good for them unless they are at a really young age. Maybe a ten year old working 80 hours a week in the fields.

For what it's worth, I was working 60 hour weeks in the fields in the summertime by the age of 14 and that wasn't more than was good for me.

I know for a fact I am a lot more competent nowadays than I was at 17. I had a job at 17 I absolutely sucked at pretty much because I was young, disoriented and didn't really have it together. Nowadays, I know I could do the same job pretty easily without much stress because I have grown out of a lot of my immaturity that made it difficult.
I am not a senior citizen myself but they do tend to be more mature than I am at this point and certainly more than a teenager or young adult. So why do we say, it's not good for you to work and be part of things merely due to your age?

If you had no work experience until now and had spent your time since 17 being lazy and partying and doing nothing productive, do you think that you would not have sucked at the job you had at 17?

If people take good care of their health they can enjoy life EVEN BETTER in their later years than earlier year.

I for one, at 54, have never been stronger or more full of energy, IN MY ENTIRE LIFE.

In my younger years, I did not even feel comfortable in my own skin.

IN other words, be careful what one wishes for.

One's later life, POTENTIALLY, WITH or without money, can be much GREATER THAN IT IS NOW, AS long as one does not believe the statistics that are based on an extremely unhealthy sedentary society suggesting that human decline after the age of 30, is a sure thing and of course ACT ON EFFECTIVE WORK FOR excellent HEALTH AND well being.

BAD, sure it can be, and 'they 'often feel BAD, if all they do is sit on their butt.

But if they use IT rather than losing it, sometimes they can lift more weight with their legs than 24 year-old Marines, at age 54, like me, with 860LBS on parallel free weight Nautilus Leg press, at 12 slow reps, and STILL GOING UP.

AND OUT dance a whole tribe of 200 or more 20 something year-olds, at age 54, like me too.

And nah, I am a weakling when I am younger.

I just used my human potential to get stronger.

People who are innately strong should surely be 'SUPERMAN' by now, if they use just half of the human potential I use now.

I would not trade my entire previous 53 years for just ONE NOW OF NOW.

AS TRULY ALL THERE IS, IS NOW, ANY WAY.

TO LIVE IT (now) LIKE THAT CAN TRULY BE 'DIVINE', FOR THOSE in the know of SENTIMENT in GETTING that job done IN real LIFE NOW, no matter what their age is.

There are a lot of miserable young people out there, even, who do not have to work, and have all the money they can spend.

And sure being financially independent is nice, but I would not trade all the money in the world for the health I have now, as I have truly been in a spot as financially independent with horrid health when younger AND MONEY MEANS ABSOLUTELY NOTHING THEN compared to health for me.

IF folks are truly smart they will focus on their physical, emotional, and spiritual well being above and beyond materialistic desires, OR TRUST ME, eventually, there is a consequence to likely be PAID IN FLESH AND BLOOD/emotional/spiritual MISERY, one way or the other.

Young people are better at tasks which require physical strength, creativity and the ability to learn new things quickly. Old people are better at tasks which take patience and also better at tasks which require years of experience to learn how to perfect a craft/skill and make a wisdom-based decision. Unfortunately, in your system, the old people don't have years of experience because your system encourages them not to acquire it. They will have patience, but without the prior decades of experience they won't have the craft skills that patience rewards.

Your system encourages young people to go so far into debt that retirement is not an option, even if they desire it or physically need it. All these youthful years of sowing wild oats aren't free- they are a loan against one's future work. You made a point of how sometimes old people don't want to retire because they are so used to doing their job. That's great for the people who want it but your system makes it mandatory.

The physical ludicrousness has been addressed. You may think it discrimination to not put a 60 year old man on a skyscraper catwalk, but it is a safety issue.

You are looking at 55 year olds who have been working since 16 and thinking that what they bring to the job is the maturity of being 55. But far more than that, it is that they have been working since 16 (or even early 20's). Those early years of work experience matter. You can't just hop into the work force at 40 and expect to be wise and experienced at 50 with nothing but 40 years of play under your belt plus 10 years of work. The work experience of the old comes from experiencing work, not from being old.

I was awful at most stuff while a teen and young adult. I got better with age and there are plenty like me. Physical strength is not so much an issue these days due to all the automation and with older folks entering the workforce, there would be a push to automate.

There would also be a substantial push to meet the needs of older folk, physically, mentally, spiritually, because we would be depending on them. This would increase quality of life and longevity. It would mean staying healthier and stronger longer. Believe me, nothing would be better for older folk than to feel like full fledged, contributing members of society with just as much power as everyone else. Think of how much stable work forces would be. It's a brilliant idea and can bring so much that is positive to the "golden years."

There's nothing worse for an employee or a boss, even, to feel as if they are a burden to a company and someone is just looking for the excuse to push them into retirement for a variety of reason. It's stressful and unfair. It causes hurt feelings and financial hardship. What's so terrible about reevaluating the way we look at aging and older folk, not looking at them as victims of aging but people who are fully capable of contributing as much as anyone else?

Where do you get these weird fantasies?

There is a reason they say, 'youth is wasted on the young.'

Ana, much as I love your eccentric notions and unconventional ideas, you're really pushing sh*t uphill on this one. You're up against a whole bunch of older people who know first-hand why this is silliness - because they/we are at that older age. It's not theory for us - we're living it, and we know what comes with the territory.

The idealism of youth is no match for the experience of the mature.

Grow up, Ana. You might learn something.

Yes.

Something I could do in youth which I've lost is the ability to do random, erratic shifts with no mental consequences. I could do an overnight shift 2 nights in a row, follow it with an evening shift, a day off or two and then do a double shift followed by another day off. The thought of doing that now gives me the shudders. My circadian rhythm clock is no longer able to adapt to such schedule weirdness. I need my sleep and I need it on schedule.

This idea is something only a young person could come up with- somebody who has no idea what age can do to a body but thinks they know because of observing aging relatives. There are older people out there now doing thne random shift thing, but they're doing it because it's all they can get, and it is damaging them horribly in ways that young people don't get damaged by the same thing.

It's partly because of conditioning and it's because they have already had to work their whole life. It would have to start with a generation that had that period in their youth then asked to work, not one that's already been there, done that and are looking forward to retirement but you have to ask yourself...do all of them honestly look forward to it, even the ones that do not have as much money as the others, perhaps? What if they were given the opportunity to work longer and have extra money? Why does everything have to be so cut and dry? Rigid?

We cannot assume everyone is the exact same way and that not working is the right choice for everyone. Some people do not work because they are old and no one will give them a chance to. Older workers are good workers.

You are completely disconnected from reality if you think that old folks want to work more and more hours so that lazy bums in their twenties and thirties can live a life of luxury and debauchery. If such a wacky idea was ever implemented, you could expect the total destruction of whatever country was stupid enough to do it considering that the old cannot be expected to carry the economy on their shoulders.