Why America or UK not drop A-bomb or better H-Bomb on isis

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16 Feb 2015, 3:55 am

Not read all the thread this may have been posted already.

Yes sure you can nuke the members of ISIS. However you will need to turn a great swathe of the Middle east into a wasteland to have any chance of success. Most of Syria would need to go, plus a great deal of Iraq, pretty much all of libya maybe even large parts of Turkey as well. Then of course you have the issue of fallout, oil supply etc etc, not to mention Russia might have something to say about Syria. I mean it would be a major catastrophe, most likely triggering a global conflagration.

A better question would be "why the heck did the CIA destabilize Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya and Syria in the first place?why did they arm and train militants in all these countries especially Syria who they knew were fundamentalist nutjobs ( they had been arming the groups that turned into ISIS for a couple of years before they got bitten) ?

Basically the western governments are the cause of all this and it it the general population of these countries who are suffering for it.


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16 Feb 2015, 4:08 am

DentArthurDent wrote:
Yes sure you can nuke the members of ISIS. However you will need to turn a great swathe of the Middle east into a wasteland to have any chance of success.

You don't need to nuke every square inch of the Middle East.



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16 Feb 2015, 4:18 am

DentArthurDent wrote:
Not read all the thread this may have been posted already.

Yes sure you can nuke the members of ISIS. However you will need to turn a great swathe of the Middle east into a wasteland to have any chance of success. Most of Syria would need to go, plus a great deal of Iraq, pretty much all of libya maybe even large parts of Turkey as well. Then of course you have the issue of fallout, oil supply etc etc, not to mention Russia might have something to say about Syria. I mean it would be a major catastrophe, most likely triggering a global conflagration.

A better question would be "why the heck did the CIA destabilize Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya and Syria in the first place?why did they arm and train militants in all these countries especially Syria who they knew were fundamentalist nutjobs ( they had been arming the groups that turned into ISIS for a couple of years before they got bitten) ?

Basically the western governments are the cause of all this and it it the general population of these countries who are suffering for it.


Maybe the CIA should learn to pick up after themselves when they make a mess. :P



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16 Feb 2015, 4:27 am

DentArthurDent wrote:
Not read all the thread this may have been posted already.

Yes sure you can nuke the members of ISIS. However you will need to turn a great swathe of the Middle east into a wasteland to have any chance of success. Most of Syria would need to go, plus a great deal of Iraq, pretty much all of libya maybe even large parts of Turkey as well. Then of course you have the issue of fallout, oil supply etc etc, not to mention Russia might have something to say about Syria. I mean it would be a major catastrophe, most likely triggering a global conflagration.

A better question would be "why the heck did the CIA destabilize Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya and Syria in the first place?why did they arm and train militants in all these countries especially Syria who they knew were fundamentalist nutjobs ( they had been arming the groups that turned into ISIS for a couple of years before they got bitten) ?

Basically the western governments are the cause of all this and it it the general population of these countries who are suffering for it.


Oil, lithium and important commerce routes come to mind.



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16 Feb 2015, 4:28 am

Subcontract the job out to the Chinese, perhaps as part of an oil concession deal; they're brutal and numerous enough, and since it's ISIS, anything they did would practically be considered victimless crimes. Might make the Israelis nervous though, perhaps they'd have to be cut in somehow.

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16 Feb 2015, 4:40 am

mr_bigmouth_502 wrote:
Maybe the CIA should learn to pick up after themselves when they make a mess.

Messing up your enemy, and then stitch him up? Makes no sense.



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16 Feb 2015, 6:38 am

Humanaut wrote:
mr_bigmouth_502 wrote:
Maybe the CIA should learn to pick up after themselves when they make a mess.

Messing up your enemy, and then stitch him up? Makes no sense.


What makes less sense is to train and arm your enemy then get upset when he attacks you.


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16 Feb 2015, 7:53 am

It usually happens when he discovers that he is not your friend, but your useful idiot. That's when you kill him.



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17 Feb 2015, 1:50 pm

It seems to me we should just let them have their land. Let them create the big Islamic empire again and they can sell us their oil. If they don't want to sell us their oil then we will go back to war with them I figure, but at least let them create their Islam land that they seemingly want so much.



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17 Feb 2015, 2:02 pm

Robdemanc wrote:
It seems to me we should just let them have their land. Let them create the big Islamic empire again and they can sell us their oil. If they don't want to sell us their oil then we will go back to war with them I figure, but at least let them create their Islam land that they seemingly want so much.



Silly humans and then what happens when the oil runs out....then by default is it back to war?


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18 Feb 2015, 2:06 pm

Humanaut wrote:
mr_bigmouth_502 wrote:
Maybe the CIA should learn to pick up after themselves when they make a mess.

Messing up your enemy, and then stitch him up? Makes no sense.


The mess the CIA made was when they started s**t in the middle east and got the terrorists all pissed off at them, all while training and arming them. They really shouldn't have done it in the first place, but maybe they could have been more proactive in preventing things from escalating.



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21 Feb 2015, 11:01 am

MAD still exists. You nuke someone, you get nuked. The only exemption would require the agreement of every nuclear stakeholder, not just the majority.

Just because someone doesn't have their hand over the red button doesn't mean that they are never going to press it.



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22 Feb 2015, 12:09 am

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It seems that the ISIS does not follow any rules of war.


I wonder why America does not dump the atomic bomb on ISIS.

Two atomic bombs tiny enough to show the reportedly undefeated Japanese "Empire" where their place :D


Has it occured to you that perhaps ISIS is a political asset for America?

With the Ba'athists losing power in the region, Uncle Sam needs a reason for the future to have more adventures in the land of the black stuff.

America doesn't nuke other countries these days, especially not their puppets.


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22 Feb 2015, 12:45 am

^^Don't forget Israel, either. I can imagine that from the Israeli perspective IS is vastly preferable to having large arab states with armies, diplomats, and channels of communication to the UN.



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22 Feb 2015, 12:58 am

Indeed, how can you expect the US to nuke wahabists like ISIS on one hand then on the other arm others like the FSA in Syria?


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22 Feb 2015, 1:05 am

^^The FSA used to not be Wahhabis. But all the old guys are dead, fled, or joined IS or Al-Nusra.