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daveybaby
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16 Mar 2007, 10:06 pm

Pot is a weird drug. Some people seem like they can get away with smoking it, at least for some time. Its more like drinking enough to get drunk all the time, but never getting SMASHED, the problem will SLOWLY creep up on you and you won't notice it, then you're suddenly 34 and you still live with your mom, and thats what can happen with pot. Some people seem like they can function while smoking it though, but some can't. Let me tell you all though, it does SOMETHING to your brain, as does any mood or mind altering chemical. We've all been educated as to what alcohol can do, addiction is not a good thing. Pot isn't addictive, well, my response is that it might not be PHYSICALLY addictive (as in your not going to have seizures if you suddenly stop using it) but just try going for a couple weeks not doing it when you do it at least once a day. See, that just made you feel weird now, didn't it?

as for medicinal use, well that has absolutely nothing to do with recreational use, does it?



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17 Mar 2007, 12:01 am

ahayes wrote:
It DOES mess up your brain and perception but it's nowhere near as bad as opiates or meth, there's no good justification for it being illegal.


Meth aka methamphetamine is approved for ADHD by the FDA in the US but its rarely
prescribed by doctors. Dextroamphetamine which is for more often prescribed for
ADHD then Methamphetamine is very much like methamphetamine. Though methamphetamine requires a lower dose and has a longer half-life.

I know an old women with chronic back pain and she takes opiates and likely will the rest of her life.

So these two "bad" drugs are available to those in need(with a few jumps trough some hoops) but the "less" dangerous weed is not?



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17 Mar 2007, 6:12 am

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jimservo wrote:
This way we will prevent what is happening in the Netherlands with stoned youth increasingly causing a ruckus on the streets.

jimservo, isn't it time to get right sources for your information? In Holland we don't have such problems. In case there are problems, it's always near the coffeeshops and reaches the newspapers, showing it's rare news.

I know christian america wants you to believe otherwise. Some dutch christians even oppose coffeeshops, I think that's a true christian thing. However, like the american, a lot of dutch christians live right there, where no coffeeshops are, and they are, like you americans, prejudiced. The fact is, people in the city, so, living closer to coffeeshops and truly knowing what their impact is (ie not a big impact), are much more tolerant, and don't want to illegalize drugs.

And that's not only true for the non-christian citizens. Also chistians living in the cities are often pro-coffeeshops, even some christian mayors support coffeechops. They know what the coffeeshops mean, know their importance, know their dangers.

Don't let you be led by your christianity or your american sources, come travel to holland, have a joint in one of our nice coffeeshops and see we have no problems!


would i be right to guess that the bars that serve alcohol are much more dangerous and cause many more problems than the coffeehouses? i mean it's just something i'd guess from my personal experience split between drinking and smoking (the life of a rock star...such a hard life)


Oh yes, alcohol causes much more problems. In coffeeshops people don't get aggressive. Moreover, in the coffeeshops, it is illegal to sell alcohol.

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Hey Pug, out of curiousity, how many police cars appear outside these coffeeshops?


Almost none. By the way, intoxicated people are not allowed to leave the coffeeshop.

While drunken, agressive people can leave the pubs.

In the city I live near (Leiden) there are like 10 coffeeshops very near each other. The only place that causes problems is the street with pubs, where they serve alcohol. There is fighting, throwing stuff etc. but not at the coffeeshops. There is almost no policeforce, only one or two policecars driving each moment for the whole centre of the city. That's nothing more than in the villages.



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17 Mar 2007, 10:54 am

daveybaby wrote:
Pot is a weird drug. Some people seem like they can get away with smoking it, at least for some time. Its more like drinking enough to get drunk all the time, but never getting SMASHED, the problem will SLOWLY creep up on you and you won't notice it, then you're suddenly 34 and you still live with your mom, and thats what can happen with pot. Some people seem like they can function while smoking it though, but some can't. Let me tell you all though, it does SOMETHING to your brain, as does any mood or mind altering chemical. We've all been educated as to what alcohol can do, addiction is not a good thing. Pot isn't addictive, well, my response is that it might not be PHYSICALLY addictive (as in your not going to have seizures if you suddenly stop using it) but just try going for a couple weeks not doing it when you do it at least once a day. See, that just made you feel weird now, didn't it?


I agree that people's experience differ and I think HIGHLY (no pun) that the reason results are always skewed or contradicting another studies is because it DOES effect people differently. The only thing keeping you in your parents basement is YOU, not the drug. The drug didnt remove 'time' or 'responsibility' from you, you just LET that happen. you LET it take over. The drug did nothing more then what you made it to. I think people smoke pot then let it take over their body. I tend to take the feeling pot provides me and redirect, either at guitar or something. I find it helps my 'internal' focus.

To answer your question: No. I felt nothing and actually started using it again because the only change I noticed, after smoking a lot then taking 2 months off, is that I just wasnt high. Its something I can enjoy after work or on weekends while I relax, on my off time. I work amazingly hard all week (I am one of those nuts who DOES do work his entire time at the office). Now, thats my experience. I've a friend who smoked for 10 years and quit - he had panic attacks which decreased after he stopped using it. He would agree with you.

Before I smoked, I sat in my room, listened to music, played games, hung out. After I smoked, I played games, listened to music, and hung out. Hanging out was getting boring so I kind of stopped and start pursuing interests, such as more reading and guitar.

I buy pot because I enjoy its effects. I'm absolutely the best state of mind today then I've ever been, before or after. People can sit here and tell me how it destroys my mind but if they want to get into an argument of who is healthier, then don't cast the first stone. Pot is about one of the worst things I do in my entire life (I consider my motorcycle to be more dangerous, easily).

You can run your whole life being afraid of everything because some weird people you dont know told you to, or you can be independent, study these things on your own, conclude, and create your own path. Its up to you. Anyone who says its "good" (pot) is merely giving their opinion based on their experiences, anyone who says its "bad" is doing the same. Some people die on motorcycles, some do not. There is always more then one side of a story.

P.S. the only other drug that touches my body, caffeine 99% included, are heart burn pills which I rarely take these days (meditations helped rid of that stress related issue)