12 Mar 2015, 2:28 pm
funeralxempire wrote:
LoveNotHate wrote:
How many examples of cities being transformed into black ghettos do you need before you say "keep these people out"!
So, how long until you propose some sort of final solution to the black question?
I stated the "proposed solution" earlier in the thread.
And it is not my solution; it a solution coming from the governor of where I live, also Jeb Bush concurred recently. The plan is to bring in highly educated immigrants into black cities so they are less % black.
See, http://www.crainsdetroit.com/article/20 ... to-detroit
Black groups are against this, because they see this as non-blacks taking away power from black people. So, the plan appears to have gone nowhere.
here the NY Times points at that what we are talking about is bringing in 50,000 Indian and Chinese people into African American communities
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/02/06/opini ... .html?_r=0
What are your ideas? or do you just participate in topics in an attempt to ridicule people ?
12 Mar 2015, 3:45 pm
GoonSquad wrote:
However, when we consider that the vast majority of blue skinned people are law abiding, crime stats not withstanding, things become much less clear.
Welcome to the complexity of REALITY.
Welcome to the complexity of REALITY.
Notwithstanding the 50% arrest rate of my blue population (mainly simple crimes and misdemeanors), it's still sensible to feel less safe around them than the yellow and red people based purely on chance (not to mention they only make up 10% of the population).
Chance is a perfectly valid means of dictating behavior. You don't drive too fast, you don't play with wild lions, you don't jump into unknown bodies of water, and so on. You can do these things, but the chance of something bad happening increases if you do.
Hence, discrimination can be a good thing. It's something we evolved to help us survive.
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12 Mar 2015, 10:16 pm
GoonSquad wrote:
We talked about this in one of my classes the other day...
Pretty much everyone paid lip service (at least) to the idea that what they did was wrong, but a lot of people balked at any punishment for people at an individual level. Others used the incident as an opportunity to attack the "Greek System" as a whole....
The discussion got pretty heated. In the end, one student, (an older, black female) walked out of class...
I pretty much stayed out of the debate, but I did find the whole thing very informative.
A few observations:
I don't think this is a problem with Frats only. I think it has more to do with any sort of exclusionary social group.
One of the attractions of these groups is that not everyone can get in... that's really the whole point. AND, that is EXACTLY what they were singing about. The whole point of the song is that, while you might be the dumbest, most inbred cracker there is, you are better than every N****r on the planet because you are a member of the group and they aren't.
Also, I think what we see in that video is a prime example of the ugly, dangerous side of social groups in general--not just Frats...
There seems to be a form of group think happening here. I'm sure that most of those guys would never have sung that song on their own. However, in a highly cohesive group, all it takes is one douche bag with a bad idea and a one or two others who go along to cause a domino-effect. The others simply follow along because of their emotional ties and desire to fit in. That's how social groups work, and why mobs sometimes commit atrocities...
And finally, from the incident in class, I learned one other thing. Being able to discuss racism as an interesting abstract, academic problem is just one more perk of white privilege. Whites can discuss the issue, debate it, condemn it and put it away when we get bored, because it doesn't really affect us. Non-whites cannot do that. They have to live with and deal with racist attitudes everyday, whether they want to or not. They can't put it away when they grow tired of it.
....and even more finally
...
What happened--a bunch of white frat boys acting like assholes--might not seem like such a big deal, but I think it is. Here's why. Those kids are going to be in positions of power in a few years. They are going to be doctors, lawyers, business executives, and HR people in the future. They are going to be judges like the one who just resigned in Ferguson Mo. Their biases matter because, collectively, they will affect thousands of lives.
We don't need people like that in charge.
So, what do you guys think?
Pretty much everyone paid lip service (at least) to the idea that what they did was wrong, but a lot of people balked at any punishment for people at an individual level. Others used the incident as an opportunity to attack the "Greek System" as a whole....
The discussion got pretty heated. In the end, one student, (an older, black female) walked out of class...
I pretty much stayed out of the debate, but I did find the whole thing very informative.
A few observations:
I don't think this is a problem with Frats only. I think it has more to do with any sort of exclusionary social group.
One of the attractions of these groups is that not everyone can get in... that's really the whole point. AND, that is EXACTLY what they were singing about. The whole point of the song is that, while you might be the dumbest, most inbred cracker there is, you are better than every N****r on the planet because you are a member of the group and they aren't.
Also, I think what we see in that video is a prime example of the ugly, dangerous side of social groups in general--not just Frats...
There seems to be a form of group think happening here. I'm sure that most of those guys would never have sung that song on their own. However, in a highly cohesive group, all it takes is one douche bag with a bad idea and a one or two others who go along to cause a domino-effect. The others simply follow along because of their emotional ties and desire to fit in. That's how social groups work, and why mobs sometimes commit atrocities...
And finally, from the incident in class, I learned one other thing. Being able to discuss racism as an interesting abstract, academic problem is just one more perk of white privilege. Whites can discuss the issue, debate it, condemn it and put it away when we get bored, because it doesn't really affect us. Non-whites cannot do that. They have to live with and deal with racist attitudes everyday, whether they want to or not. They can't put it away when they grow tired of it.
....and even more finally
...What happened--a bunch of white frat boys acting like assholes--might not seem like such a big deal, but I think it is. Here's why. Those kids are going to be in positions of power in a few years. They are going to be doctors, lawyers, business executives, and HR people in the future. They are going to be judges like the one who just resigned in Ferguson Mo. Their biases matter because, collectively, they will affect thousands of lives.
We don't need people like that in charge.
So, what do you guys think?
what is SAE?
12 Mar 2015, 11:15 pm
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13 Mar 2015, 10:06 am
Dillogic wrote:
GoonSquad wrote:
However, when we consider that the vast majority of blue skinned people are law abiding, crime stats not withstanding, things become much less clear.
Welcome to the complexity of REALITY.
Welcome to the complexity of REALITY.
Notwithstanding the 50% arrest rate of my blue population (mainly simple crimes and misdemeanors), it's still sensible to feel less safe around them than the yellow and red people based purely on chance (not to mention they only make up 10% of the population).
Chance is a perfectly valid means of dictating behavior. You don't drive too fast, you don't play with wild lions, you don't jump into unknown bodies of water, and so on. You can do these things, but the chance of something bad happening increases if you do.
Hence, discrimination can be a good thing. It's something we evolved to help us survive.
I see your point...
So, by your logic it would be sensible for employers and HR people to also fear all blue people and avoid employing any, right?
...because, after all, we want our places of business and employment to be safe as well, don't we?
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