Controversial Topic: Gun Control in the US

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Just the skeery ones, eh?


If enough people think the there is a move toward disarmament that's all that counts. Hell, look at how many believe in global warming.


Who's facts?

There haven't been very many discussions about guns themselves here but ones discussing the fallacy of gun control.


Ideas for what, bans on "assault weapons", gun free zones, registration, other "sensible" gun regulation?


Hmm....I don't feel particularly threatened.

You're saying it there is no threat that the government will some day try to take away guns, but hey, they tried Prohibition too. It didn't work, but they tried it anyway. That's why people stock up on ammo whenever politicians start talking of gun control again.

/\ Stocked up on ammo?? They stocked up on EVERYTHING after Sandy Hook and before that when Obama was inaugurated in '09.
The anti-gunners and their politicians created a windfall for the gun industry.

at least a few of them are invested in guns, main one that comes to mine is the that senator from california.

"Gun control" measures are not being pushed because of high homicide rates. "Gun control" and regulation is trying to decrease the number of suicides and accidental gun related deaths. There are more suicides by gun and accidental deaths by guns than there are homicides, but even the number of gun incidents related to domestic issues are an issue. 2nd Amendment or not, some people should just never be allowed to own guns, period. The problem is figuring out who those specific people are and either preventing their access to guns altogether or regulating the types of guns some people have access to and regulating the conditions which would put a gun in their hands. People who care more about guns than about human life will create and promote any argument which will prevent even the serious discussion of firearm safety, such as the attacks on physicians even asking patients such an innocuous question as, "are there any firearms in your home." Even discussing gun regulation or safety has led to people having their lives threatened by pro-gun psychos.

Also, yeah, I will say it, no one should be allowed to walk in public with high capacity magazines that enable them to take the lives of large numbers of people in seconds.

There are too many irrational voices that shout "2nd Amendment!!" irresponsibly, and too many voices who will try to shut down any discussion at all regarding regulation or safety. My problem with the particularly outspoken pro-gun members of WP who will extend any gun related post to dozens of pages with myriad redundant arguments for their point of view is that if you tried to have this same discussion in person with these people they would go out of their way to interrupt, shout you down, or use rhetoric which is intimidating and threatening. The same people which fight so voraciously for 2nd Amendment rights have no problem infringing upon all aspects of the 1st Amendment for those who do not share their point of view.

One person in a forum who will post 20-25 entries in one gun related thread is the same person who, in RL will speed talk, high talk and use intimidating language to drown out the voices of their opponents. Carrying loaded weapons to public discussions relating to the 2nd Amendment is a form of intimidation and terrorism. Recklessly spewing 2nd Amendment rhetoric while carrying loaded weapons to these public discussions is the BS tactics of people who do not have the courage wits, or supportable evidence to back up their opinions. Constantly repeating "the 2nd Amendment" this or that is not a license to restrict or suppress dialogue.

Interestingly, Thomas Jefferson believed that the only constitutional method that ought to be used for restricting any citizen's natural rights would be by jury (especially at the U.S. Supreme Court), not by mere law. Only by the unanimous vote of other citizens as jurors should an individual have his or her rights restricted.

People need to stop quoting Jefferson as if his opinions are gospel and above question. Times change. The world evolves and so do people. The population in those days was roughly 1% what it is now and not nearly as diverse. If the founding fathers had not foreseen the process of change they would not have provided methods to amend the Constitution. Human beings cannot exist in a void and we can no more just use colonial era quotes as justification to stick our heads in the sand than we can use constant quotes referring to the 2nd Amendment to avoid the responsibility of caring for human life.

You must hate guns, and the freedom of others to exercise their God given right to buy a firearm if they so choose.
I think I'm going to name my mosin-nagant chagya, in honor of your memory.

40,000 suicides out of 320,000,000 people. is .015% of the population, and thats all suicides not just those by guns. lets say Iwant to kill myself, heck who here hasn't thought of it, but who also hasn't thought of all the ways to do it, cars, knifes, rope, high buildings, cops, etc. its endless. are you going try to restrict peoples access to all those as well. I'm all for trying to help people not kill themselves, you don't do that from taking stuff a way and walking off thinking you did good. you do that by talking to them sticking it out until they are better. you dont need 100 rounds or 7 round to kill yourself you just need one so those who think limiting mags to 10 or 7 rounds will prevent suicide are crazy.

those with domestic abuse get told no guns, yet they kill with a gun or with something else regardless, but if the victim has a gun they have a chance to stop the abuser before it ends in death.

how about fixing the current laws about guns instead of adding more broken ones. "oh that law we pased 10 years ago is broken and doesn't work, well be too hard to fix it how about we just ban magazines, then people will think we doing stuff and reflect us. "

it doesn't matter. " hi doctor I have a really bad cold" doc: " well john well get to that in a second, but first do you own any guns?" how is that relevant? only reason to ask is to create records of who owns guns. it'd be like asking a single childless 50 year old mad if his house is baby proof. they only ask expecting parents that, so unless I'm in there going on and on about killing myself they don't need to ask about guns. pretty simple, and guess what, if thats being talked about its probably with a therapist not a medical doctor.

with the millions if not billions of magazines out there to magazines used in shootings, your opinion is illogical. we will continue to carry our magazines and watch as nothing happens day after day after day. and you won't even know we have them

i changed a few words in your last part to show how your side is viewed exactly the same as you view us. , took at teh very last bit cause it was pure lies, and no different then any rally with people yelling and screaming holding signs or sticks. as for people getting death threats turn around look at your side they spew out death threats all the time, just recently a anti gun film maker attacked a pro gun reporter, stole his camera, and left him with a broken shoulder being rushed to the hospital. yeah the left is so peaceful and such freaking lies.

people who hate guns tend to be the very people which are the reasons they state they hate guns. they fear they would kill themselves, murder other people, flip and become violent if in a argument. etc.

so they think every human would do these things. then the others are just literally afraid of things they don't understand, others still are just been so lied too they believe the lies without checking into them. "well bloomberg says they bad, thats all the info I need"

1st group needs to accept they are bad but not everyone is.(i know a few pro gun people who do this, they know they shouldn't have guns but think others should.)

2nd group can often be turned by just taking them to a range and letting them shoot.

3rd group is hopeless.

do you really name your guns?

I only have one gun, that is my youth 20 gauge. My parents said I am not allowed to buy anymore knifes (my knife collection is already large) or guns until I get my own place. I agree with this, their house, their rules. And when I get my own place, I can buy a nice safe or two to put my new guns in, and my knifes in too.
Maybe I'll name my throwing knives sly....

Completely glossing over the fact that most gun deaths are accidents or suicides, and could be more easily prevented/minimized than the homicides...If human beings actually cared enough about each other to do so.

For a fifty-two year old, you are pretty emotional about this topic in a way I would not expect.
And I didn't say you "hated guns" because you think not everyone should own one, I think that as well.
I said it because the emotion apparent in your posts lead me to believe you did, so I goaded you on. Sorry for teasing you.
Try to cool it, nobody hates anybody here.

Sorry but I grow tired of people telling me that I hate guns. The first display of "emotion" I showed in my reply was responding to your trolling me. I respect guns. I don't hate them. I could enjoy going to a range and shooting but I have no reason to own one. Also, I know too many people who drive around with multiple guns in their vehicles and on their person who carry all of these guns because they are paranoid reactionists. These are irrational gun owners. The same as the people who go out and buy craploads of guns as a statement of defiance against whatever entity they perceive as oppressing them in their delusional minds.

none of the proposed gun laws will do anything about caring about other humans. taking stuff away isn't caring, hanging out and getting the person help is caring about other humans.

you can't really prevent most suicides, if they want to die they'll just find another way. as I stated in my other post.

reality is people don't care about other people. they care about themselves, their family and close friends. human are a eat or be eaten species, our society is all about one upping each other. companies cheat and hurt millions in the name of making a little more money. so this is why when someone wants to kill themselves most people don't give one rates ass unless they know the person or can make money off them. so I guess the drug companies care so they can attempt to get that person to pay them thousands of dollars a month for their drugs with huge side effects.

if you know someone with guns who wants to kill themselves, go to them be like hey why don't you let me hold on to these for you until you feel better. and also talk to them about why they feel that way, then when they feel better they get their guns back instead of saying hey gov go take their property and never give it back and better yet make it so they can never buy them again for the rest of their life, even 50 years from now when they've gone 49 years without depression.

anyways most anti gun people only talk about how guns are bad and cause mass shootings. probably cause they know banning guns won't prevent suicides, people who commit suicides either had the guns long before they wanted to kill them selves , b never got treatment so not barred from buying guns, or c used someone elses.

with no way to scan babies to know if they going a. grow up to be murder, b. grow up to kill themselves, how do you stop a person who makes a split second decision who up until that second was completely ok to own and buy guns?

you can't not unless they were committed, broke a law, showed to others they were violent, or went to a therapist for help. so unless they have a record for such things, you can't know they are going do it so you can't preemptive bar them from owning guns without baring everyone from owning guns. as for those with records, well we have system in place for that but its broken and no one wants to fix it instead they want to add onto the broken system. expanding its brokenness. if a metal is rusting and you just paint over it i'ts still going rust through, you have to remove the rust then paint. though in this case expanding the system is wrong, if you just fixed it then you'd catch most the people the others have no record.

Personally, I have no use for a gun, therefore, I don't own one.

Granted, there are people out there that own and use guns that DON'T deserve them.

I have said this in the past, and I usually get my fat arse kicked when I do say it, but if you purchase a firearm of any kind, whether it is for self-defense, for hunting or competitive sport, it should be mandatory that the purchaser take a training course or courses on the SAFE use and handling of said firearms. It should be mandatory also that in order to keep continual use of this weapon, they go through mandatory retraining every few years, else they lose the privilege of using a gun. There should be a law that, if you fail to go through retraining, then those guns in the ownser's possession be made inoperable.