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06 Apr 2015, 8:33 am

naturalplastic wrote:
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Satan tried to overthrow God. So he was not seeking "equality". Next question.
She wanted democracy instead of a tyranny, yes. Would you follow or remain a slave without choices? Try to think before answering this time please. Regards. DL
My bad. I meant: "he wanted to overthrow God in order to take god's throne and rule himself; To form a junta and to be the next dictator in the banana republic, not to achieve "democracy", nor "equality", nor "justice", nor anything like that. "Demanding equality" had nothing to do with it. Satan just wanted to depose god to get power. So your question is irrelevent. Next question."
This, FTW. Satan did not want a democracy, he wanted a dictatorship, with Satan as the dictator.

While thinking before answering before is truly an admirable trait, knowing the facts before asking an irrelevant question is even more admirable.



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06 Apr 2015, 10:27 am

GnosticBishop wrote:
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I always figured Satan had rebelled in order to depose God, and become ruler of heaven himself.


That is seeking equality of opportunity is it not?

Do you want to live in a tyranny or a democracy?

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I have to think Satan wasn't looking just for an election victory.


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06 Apr 2015, 11:00 am

Kraichgauer wrote:
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I always figured Satan had rebelled in order to depose God, and become ruler of heaven himself.


That is seeking equality of opportunity is it not?

Do you want to live in a tyranny or a democracy?

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I have to think Satan wasn't looking just for an election victory.


I agree. She wanted to change the system from a tyranny to something else.

Note how later she helps Eve to shed her blindness and stupidity to becoming like God and ended God tyranny in Eden.

How many command are required to kill free will?

Just one. Right?

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06 Apr 2015, 11:21 am

"How many command"?

What noun were you trying to type on your cellphone while driving?

Commands?

Commandments?

Commanders?



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06 Apr 2015, 11:23 am

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If that were the case then Moses would have been "satanic" for leading his people out of slavery.

So obviously the answer is "no". Demanding equality, and/or resisting tyranny per se does not go against the Bible.

The difference between Moses and Satan is that the former rebelled against a human tyrant, and the later against God himself.


So spiritual tyranny is good but physical tyranny is bad....intresting.


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06 Apr 2015, 11:30 am

naturalplastic wrote:
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Satan tried to overthrow God. So he was not seeking "equality".

Next question.


She wanted democracy instead of a tyranny, yes.

Would you follow or remain a slave without choices?

Try to think before answering this time please.

Regards
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My bad. I meant: "he wanted to overthrow God in order to take god's thrown and rule himself. To form a junta and to be the next dictator in the banana republic. Not to achieve "democracy", nor "equality", nor "justice", nor anything like that. "Demanding equality" had nothing to do with it.Satan just wanted to depose god to get power. So your question is irrelevent. Next question."



And how do you know what his motives where?...hypothetically, not sure I buy the whole thing but just curious how you are so sure those where his motives.


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06 Apr 2015, 11:41 am

Sweetleaf wrote:
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If that were the case then Moses would have been "satanic" for leading his people out of slavery.

So obviously the answer is "no". Demanding equality, and/or resisting tyranny per se does not go against the Bible.

The difference between Moses and Satan is that the former rebelled against a human tyrant, and the later against God himself.


So spiritual tyranny is good but physical tyranny is bad....intresting.


What does that have to do with anything?

How was Satan rebelling against tyranny?
He just wanted to replace God as the tyrant.

My point was that the Bible does glorify rebels in some spots, though not in others (Moses is actually in the Bible, and that satan fable is not BTW). So the Bible doesnt necessarily discourage rebellion per se.

I am not defending religion, but if you going to have a religion- and supply it with a deity -then how could this deity be anything other than an absolute monarch?

Are you suggesting that God is an elected official who depends upon our votes?

If you are under the impression that the Universe is a democracy then...why hasn't mortality been repealed?

Repealing death would certainly have gotten God a lot of votes a long time ago!

Lol!



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06 Apr 2015, 11:57 am

Sweetleaf wrote:
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Satan tried to overthrow God. So he was not seeking "equality".

Next question.


She wanted democracy instead of a tyranny, yes.

Would you follow or remain a slave without choices?

Try to think before answering this time please.

Regards
DL


My bad. I meant: "he wanted to overthrow God in order to take god's thrown and rule himself. To form a junta and to be the next dictator in the banana republic. Not to achieve "democracy", nor "equality", nor "justice", nor anything like that. "Demanding equality" had nothing to do with it.Satan just wanted to depose god to get power. So your question is irrelevent. Next question."



And how do you know what his motives where?...hypothetically, not sure I buy the whole thing but just curious how you are so sure those where his motives.


I am going by what tradition says his motives were. The story goes that satan was the most beautiful angel, but he got too vain, and then sought to replace God on the throne. It doesnt say that "God refused to give Satan dental, and so satan went on strike, so God demoted him down to the mail room." There is no hint of any kind of seeking redress for wrongs done to Satan in the story.



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06 Apr 2015, 1:42 pm

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Was Satan wrong to demand equal rights in heaven?

Heaven, from what we can speculate, seems to be a system that some would call a tyranny as no one was allowed to question anything or ask for change in leadership or policies.

Was Satan and the third of angels who rejected tyranny wrong to demand equal rights, and if so, are all people who demand equal rights on earth also doing something satanic?

Is this why most religions are reluctant to give women and gays equality? Do Christians and Muslims think equality to be evil and satanic?

Do religious people think that their Gods frown on the notions of equality of all people and is that why believers deny women and gays equality?

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If this is why Christians and Muslims were/are against some equality measures it would have to be subconsciously as per what you are saying.

It is an interesting idea.


Subconscious?

I doubt it.

It is religious men who know nothing of justice who are imposing injustice and inequality into our society.

We are slowed by the bastards but society is wining in spite of these misogynistic and homophobic mainstream religions.

It is a good thing that most believers are not rely believers or civilized people would be having a harder time bringing religionists to civility.

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DL


I just don't think that, if this were the case, that Christians consciously think, hmm, according to the Satan bible of the story I must oppress these people.



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06 Apr 2015, 2:46 pm

If God existed, I think it would be necessary to abolish him, same with Satan if he took the throne. I don't want a god ruling over me. We already have enough corrupt world leaders as it is, why should any individual be trusted with the entirety of existence?



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06 Apr 2015, 4:47 pm

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can i have first go with the virgins?


i was joking for anyone who is literal, just highlighting how satanists think
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06 Apr 2015, 5:36 pm

The Satan story of the bible* Talk about spoonerism.



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07 Apr 2015, 1:17 pm

naturalplastic wrote:
"How many command"?

What noun were you trying to type on your cellphone while driving?

Commands?

Commandments?

Commanders?


You do not have enough I.Q. for me to bother with if you cannot dither it out for yourself.

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07 Apr 2015, 1:20 pm

Sweetleaf wrote:
naturalplastic wrote:
If that were the case then Moses would have been "satanic" for leading his people out of slavery.

So obviously the answer is "no". Demanding equality, and/or resisting tyranny per se does not go against the Bible.

The difference between Moses and Satan is that the former rebelled against a human tyrant, and the later against God himself.


So spiritual tyranny is good but physical tyranny is bad....intresting.


Point for you.

Rather screw up --- on earth as it is in heaven, as the prayer goes.

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07 Apr 2015, 1:29 pm

Cato Publius wrote:
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Cato Publius wrote:
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Was Satan wrong to demand equal rights in heaven?

Heaven, from what we can speculate, seems to be a system that some would call a tyranny as no one was allowed to question anything or ask for change in leadership or policies.

Was Satan and the third of angels who rejected tyranny wrong to demand equal rights, and if so, are all people who demand equal rights on earth also doing something satanic?

Is this why most religions are reluctant to give women and gays equality? Do Christians and Muslims think equality to be evil and satanic?

Do religious people think that their Gods frown on the notions of equality of all people and is that why believers deny women and gays equality?

Regards
DL


If this is why Christians and Muslims were/are against some equality measures it would have to be subconsciously as per what you are saying.

It is an interesting idea.


Subconscious?

I doubt it.

It is religious men who know nothing of justice who are imposing injustice and inequality into our society.

We are slowed by the bastards but society is wining in spite of these misogynistic and homophobic mainstream religions.

It is a good thing that most believers are not rely believers or civilized people would be having a harder time bringing religionists to civility.

Regards
DL


I just don't think that, if this were the case, that Christians consciously think, hmm, according to the Satan bible of the story I must oppress these people.


Not just from the Satan story.

The bible, Gen3, also says that men are to rule over women, and I do not have the verse but it also states that women are to shut up in church and not teach men.

You might also wonder why women are in the property part of the coveting commandments and they come after the house, if I recall correctly, and just before the ass.

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DL



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07 Apr 2015, 1:32 pm

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If God existed, I think it would be necessary to abolish him, same with Satan if he took the throne. I don't want a god ruling over me. We already have enough corrupt world leaders as it is, why should any individual be trusted with the entirety of existence?


No argument my friend.

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