The faces behind the living wage movement
Kraichgauer
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Sweetleaf wrote:
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Stay away from Kansas, as the place has become a Republican/libertarian wet dream, where poor people are accused of using their benefits to take cruises. No, I'm serious!
Stay away from Kansas, as the place has become a Republican/libertarian wet dream, where poor people are accused of using their benefits to take cruises. No, I'm serious!
I certainly don't have it on my list of places to visit...not sure how benefits would be enough to take cruises. Though I saw some article on my facebook to do with banning using EBT cards at dispensaries...as far as I can tell it would be propaganda to try and make the industry look bad because most won't even accept a debit/credit card let alone an EBT card not to mention if you try to buy anything that's not food with the food stamps it doesn't go through. But yeah most have to take cash anyways because of some legal issues between the federal and state government.
So I have to kind of roll my eyes when I hear those kinds of claims of people using like food stamp benefits for cruises or marijuana...good luck. As for SSI disability income its for if you cannot work due to a disability...and leisure spending is fine in my state at least its explained quite clearly that it is for basic needs/living costs and whatever s left is your spending money. Not to mention you cannot even have more than 2,000 dollars in assets/savings or risk being kicked off so its not like you can really save a bunch of money to invest anyways so if anything spending it is encouraged. But yeah I have had people try to guilt me about things they don't like that I buy, when I am sure they would not tolerate someone getting so nosy about what they buy. As if because I have to depend on that crap income I should also have my spending dictated...well if legislation where to pass to virtually shove me into the corner even further I might bite back so to speak.
I can remember when Newt Gingrich was claiming how poor people were going to Hawaii on food stamps! I'm certain he knew that claim was a load of sh*t, but he also knew how incredibly ignorant his constituents and supporters were. When you get down to it, it just amounts to demonizing the poor as leaches. This is coming from the same people who flaunt their Christianity.
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appletheclown wrote:
Anyone ever heard of not having sex? It's great! You don't have to deal with kids, or the stress that comes with a partner in life! Sure being alone sucks, but who cares?! Sure beats the loving embrace of a sexy female/man!
I'll take no kids any day for the chance to have my name in the history books as 'that guy?'!
I'll take no kids any day for the chance to have my name in the history books as 'that guy?'!
Well, I am married, and have a kid. Don't knock it before you try it.
I was being sarcastic. I would only get married if I could support kids too.
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appletheclown wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
appletheclown wrote:
Anyone ever heard of not having sex? It's great! You don't have to deal with kids, or the stress that comes with a partner in life! Sure being alone sucks, but who cares?! Sure beats the loving embrace of a sexy female/man!
I'll take no kids any day for the chance to have my name in the history books as 'that guy?'!
I'll take no kids any day for the chance to have my name in the history books as 'that guy?'!
Well, I am married, and have a kid. Don't knock it before you try it.
I was being sarcastic. I would only get married if I could support kids too.
Plenty of married couples choose not to have children....you thought you have to have kids if you get married?
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Kraichgauer
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appletheclown wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
appletheclown wrote:
Anyone ever heard of not having sex? It's great! You don't have to deal with kids, or the stress that comes with a partner in life! Sure being alone sucks, but who cares?! Sure beats the loving embrace of a sexy female/man!
I'll take no kids any day for the chance to have my name in the history books as 'that guy?'!
I'll take no kids any day for the chance to have my name in the history books as 'that guy?'!
Well, I am married, and have a kid. Don't knock it before you try it.
I was being sarcastic. I would only get married if I could support kids too.
Gotcha.
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appletheclown wrote:
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Plenty of married couples choose not to have children....you thought you have to have kids if you get married?
I don't find it funny.
I want kids. But that issue will be dealt with when I actually find someone.
No what I thought was funny is that you think people have to be able to afford children to get married, when having children is not required just because people get married. A lot of people who have no intention of having children get married if they plan to stay together because then its easier to share financial obligations and stuff like that.
Its not funny that you want kids but have not found anyone to potentially have them with.
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Sweetleaf wrote:
appletheclown wrote:
Sweetleaf wrote:
Plenty of married couples choose not to have children....you thought you have to have kids if you get married?
I don't find it funny.
I want kids. But that issue will be dealt with when I actually find someone.
No what I thought was funny is that you think people have to be able to afford children to get married, when having children is not required just because people get married. A lot of people who have no intention of having children get married if they plan to stay together because then its easier to share financial obligations and stuff like that.
Its not funny that you want kids but have not found anyone to potentially have them with.
I'm only 21, I don't want kids right now, but when I find someone (just to clarify).
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Sweetleaf wrote:
Not to mention they expect people in the difficult position of poverty to somehow cope with that stress, while living up to higher moral standards than everyone else so they can 'deserve' any assistance. Whether its with drugs, alcohol, sex or anything else that has to do with normal basic human behavior...psychology and sociology don't even have the answers as to why for thousands of years humans have sought mind altering substances, but the fact is it dates back pretty far, far enough to be an engrained human trait....yet the expect those struggling the most to magically have even more self control and desire to subscribe to archaic moral rules than your average financially stable individual who still might have a beer after work/or a long day. And even so much as treat themselves to a cup of coffee is seen as some luxary they ought to be ashamed they'd even think to have had one.
It is that sort of attitude that pisses me off....if one is struggling that means they should be beat down even more by various policies designed to control every aspect of their personal life and ensure they only have the bare minimum needed to survive and nothing more whatsoever until such time they just up and become middle class or above. Like people that love their 'freedom' but would be fine to see the 'poor' oppressed in a soviet-like manner...rather than be provided any financial or other help and support to get through their rough patch, or help them get by if they remain indefinitely unable to do that them-self which would actually be a lesser burden on society and better for everyone.
At least currently I can be on disability, which doesn't get me out of poverty...but at least gives me a little to work with without being scrutinized/monitered 24/7 as to everywhere I go, everything I do, everything I buy even if its just a 2.00 trinket at some thrift store and get food stamps without being told what exactly I can and cannot eat via some list of pre-approved 'poor people' food....as is I may have a chance to improve my situation eventually, maybe even become functional enough to work. If it became the heavily monitered kind of program that's more like probation than government aid I doubt i could say the same...I'd be ready to kill myself due to all the pressure.
It is that sort of attitude that pisses me off....if one is struggling that means they should be beat down even more by various policies designed to control every aspect of their personal life and ensure they only have the bare minimum needed to survive and nothing more whatsoever until such time they just up and become middle class or above. Like people that love their 'freedom' but would be fine to see the 'poor' oppressed in a soviet-like manner...rather than be provided any financial or other help and support to get through their rough patch, or help them get by if they remain indefinitely unable to do that them-self which would actually be a lesser burden on society and better for everyone.
At least currently I can be on disability, which doesn't get me out of poverty...but at least gives me a little to work with without being scrutinized/monitered 24/7 as to everywhere I go, everything I do, everything I buy even if its just a 2.00 trinket at some thrift store and get food stamps without being told what exactly I can and cannot eat via some list of pre-approved 'poor people' food....as is I may have a chance to improve my situation eventually, maybe even become functional enough to work. If it became the heavily monitered kind of program that's more like probation than government aid I doubt i could say the same...I'd be ready to kill myself due to all the pressure.
I think Maslow's Hierarchy of Needs can help to explain why some folks use substances. If you're stuck trying to fulfill physiological and safety needs you're apt to be unhappy and frustrated. Substance use would simply be a way to self medicate and try to fill the holes left by unfulfilled higher order needs.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maslow%27s ... y_of_needs
Also, the Rat Park experiment yields some interesting insights about drug use.
http://www.stuartmcmillen.com/comics_en/rat-park/
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pezar wrote:
How will she afford the apartment she needs to house her and the kid, if she can't afford her current place, which is apparently a room in one of Arden Arcade District's zillions of rundown 1950s tract homes? How will she feed the baby? How will she feed a 13 year old boy? (We all know that early teen boys can eat a LOT.) If it's a girl, has she considered extra expenses like makeup and clothes? There is so much fail here that it's hard to know where to start.
I know this is from the start of the thread but... are you suggesting that it's impossible for a teenaged girl to live without makeup and expensive clothes?
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