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17 May 2015, 5:16 pm

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http://www.ons.gov.uk/ons/guide-method/compendiums/compendium-of-uk-statistics/population-and-migration/index.html
http://www.census.gov/popclock/

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These appear to be largely irrelevant because they fail to discuss violent crimes let alone firearms and guns. But there was this from 2005:

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Scotland has been named the most violent country in the developed world by a United Nations report.

The study found that, excluding murder, Scots were almost three times as likely to be assaulted as Americans....

BBC.co.uk: "Scotland worst for violence - UN" (September 18, 2005)
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/scotland/4257966.stm


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17 May 2015, 5:18 pm

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What it does mean is that Swann’s argument here is disingenuous, factually inaccurate, and fundamentally flawed. At best, he is giving gun enthusiasts bad reasons to support the Second Amendment when perfectly good reasons are already available. By spreading myths, distorting data, and exaggerating the case, Ben Swann is doing libertarians and Second Amendment advocates a disservice.


I agree with this. I have no problem with your second amendment, but there are better arguments for it.

If I lived in South Africa now, would likely have a gun. However it is doubtful such ownership is going going to improve the situation in South Africa.

I have lived in Angola, South Africa, Brazil, Jamaica. All of these place have high violent crime, however they all have good areas too.



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17 May 2015, 5:25 pm

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BBC.co.uk wrote:
Scotland has been named the most violent country in the developed world by a United Nations report.

The study found that, excluding murder, Scots were almost three times as likely to be assaulted as Americans....

BBC.co.uk: "Scotland worst for violence - UN" (September 18, 2005)
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/scotland/4257966.stm


United nations compares all nations crime statistics as if collected and recorded the same way. A practice that is quite unreliable to say the least.

Parts of Scotland are deprived, that is indisputable. It is also has a quite a low population density except in the few cities, and the crime is situated around these places.

This is kind of the point deprivation is a far bigger factor.



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17 May 2015, 5:33 pm

Also this telephone interviews, forgive me if I'm skeptical of how this is conducted.

What sample of each country did they survey, and how did they decide on that?

How reliable is the information?

Hell, I was assaulted on the rugby pitch your honour.



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17 May 2015, 5:45 pm

In short there is no definitive proof that the gun regulation / gun rights has a direct impact on crime. It may have a indirect, or secondary effect, but that is dependent on other factors and those other factors may influence which way it would impact.

I just hate simplistic views, they deserve to be challenged. Crime is a cultural phenomena. It not the entire culture of a nation, but sub-cultures, within it.

This doesn't affect Second Amendment, which frankly is up tho the US to decide.

I do have a problem with "polite society" anecdote. There are polite societies, and low crime societies in the world not all of them are like the US.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_Bhutan



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17 May 2015, 5:51 pm

Am I the only one around here who doesn't dis the police? Okay fine, since they're all so utterly evil and incompetent and you're not, then you can just save yourself with no help at all if you're ever robbed, assaulted, threatened, abused, kidnapped, etc etc...



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17 May 2015, 6:06 pm

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Am I the only one around here who doesn't dis the police? Okay fine, since they're all so utterly evil and incompetent and you're not, then you can just save yourself with no help at all if you're ever robbed, assaulted, threatened, abused, kidnapped, etc etc...


I don't judge. Hampshire police where really helpful to me. The Met on the other hand...so good in my experience. Not necessarily bad people, but not as well run. On the other hand they have the tougher problem.

There are individual bad eggs and sometimes institutional problems.

I think people who automatically diss the police are kind of dumb, especially where the police are making an effort. I think it is a bad idea to remove community police the know their beat.

Some applications like riot police, that take a special type of person. It is really easy to get riled up, this can result in loss of control. It is not just training you have to be very selective, and sometimes it attract people who just want to fight.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Ian_Tomlinson

Patience is probably the most important quality, and very few people have it.