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29 Mar 2007, 6:52 pm

I had a neighbor once that had to lug around one of those oxygen tanks to breathe through all the time, and had aquired the problem by falling asleep in a leaky car with the garage door shut. The inhaling helium idea is fascinating, though.

Can I ask, why is the bullet between the eyes method more pratical than a bullet to the side of the head? I would think it would be safer to go through both hemispheres.

Also, I hear cyanide is a particularly painless way to go, but I'm uncomfortable with the idea of waiting to die and imagining some kind of poison course through you.



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29 Mar 2007, 7:09 pm

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Can I ask, why is the bullet between the eyes method more pratical than a bullet to the side of the head? I would think it would be safer to go through both hemispheres.

This is strictly from memory so I may be wrong, but you shoot between the eyes because A) it's one of the thinner parts of the skull and B) it's on a direct line to some important part of the brain that keeps you alive. It's where snipers prefer to aim in hostage situations because there is no chance of a spasm that might kill a few bystanders.


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29 Mar 2007, 7:10 pm

maldoror wrote:
Can I ask, why is the bullet between the eyes method more pratical than a bullet to the side of the head? I would think it would be safer to go through both hemispheres.


A bullet shot between the eyes will reach the hypothalamus, which controls your involuntary functions such as heartrate and hunger. A shot on the side of the head does work too, but there are recorded cases in which the person either missed or didn't hit anything vital.



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30 Mar 2007, 1:28 am

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I prefer the long and drawn out torture method where you flounder through life for some 70-80 odd years doing what ever until you die of a stroke/heart attack/ cancer/ random accident or act of violence(the suspense of uncertainty is the most torturous part) ;-)


Hilarious :D Not my first choice, but very funny lol



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30 Mar 2007, 2:41 pm

I`ve been trying to think for years of the most random scenario that would baffle the cops and went to a forensic science evening class to do research - it was run by a police officer and he got suspicious though. There is no way to fool a proper investigation and no way to control the investigators.

My dad strangled himself. I respect his discision as I know the depths of his pain before he did it.

I think dying is dying and it is the life you leave behind that determines how honourable you are.


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30 Mar 2007, 5:34 pm

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I`ve been trying to think for years of the most random scenario that would baffle the cops and went to a forensic science evening class to do research - it was run by a police officer and he got suspicious though. There is no way to fool a proper investigation and no way to control the investigators.

My dad strangled himself. I respect his discision as I know the depths of his pain before he did it.

I think dying is dying and it is the life you leave behind that determines how honourable you are.


Agreed, life or death is a CHOICE, one is not "weak" because they decide to take their own life. It takes courage to committ suicide. Believe me, I've tried several times and wound up in the hospital. Given a choice between a lifetime of suffering, or no lifetime at all, I'd prefer the latter, as 0 is greater than negative. Without happiness life isn't worth living. It's just a long, drawn-out prison sentence. And if your curious what makes me so tick, pay close attention to what I'm saying here.
One's life is THEIRS to to what THEY wish to do with it, my life is MINE, ***I*** alone, feel the pain and struggle that I go through. I feel hopeless, angry, desperate, and victimized. Because of this, I have evolved myself beyond most of the people around me, only to isolate myself even further. However, now I can't stop pushing myself further, it's like an addiction (that in an idea world would be a great trait, but in the world we live in it just makes things more difficult, being civilized and all).
Everyone has a breaking point. It's similar to lifting weights, some can lift 500 lbs like a feather, others might collapse at 50 lbs. But, reguardless, everyone has their limits. There are those who will admit this and those who will not. When I was a child I used to think I'd never even think about suicide. Now I think about it every single day. I remember one time growing up, when an elder committed suicide (elder1) and another elder (elder2) stated he would never do such a thing as to take his own life. About a year later, elder2 put a gun to his head and blew his brains all over the bedroom walls.
My only thing is, people need to be given the right to choose death depending on the severity of the circumstances leading them to feel depressed. But, the death of the person who wishes to committ suicide must be on their own terms. Assisted suicide is fine as long as it's done on the patients terms. But a safer bet is unassisted suicide.
Suicide is merely an act of free will and self ownership, just as choosing to live is. It is wrong for society to pressure people to feel guilty about it, because your trying to make an unhappy person live an unhappy life for selfish reasons, just so other "loved ones" can be happy that this person exists. An unhappy life is torture, far far worse than dying.



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30 Mar 2007, 5:43 pm

I think it doesn`t matter how you die, when your dead, your dead, end of story.



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30 Mar 2007, 5:47 pm

Committing suicide just because your favorite tv show got cancelled or something of that nature is just stupid though. Of coarse, still it's their right, but it's dumb. if they decided to committ suicide because of some petty bs reason, we still shouldn't stop them, but there is no shame in us looking down on their path to death either.
But if someone has a legitimate reason to wish for death, a lifelong situation they can't get out of (I'm not talking of being Aspergian, I'm talking about being discriminated BECAUSE I am Aspergian), there lays a good reason for me to wish for my life to end, to escape a lifetime of pain and misery.
I'd say the one thing keeping me going is the will to fight for freedom and equality for my people.



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30 Mar 2007, 6:20 pm

snake321 wrote:
alexbeetle wrote:
I`ve been trying to think for years of the most random scenario that would baffle the cops and went to a forensic science evening class to do research - it was run by a police officer and he got suspicious though. There is no way to fool a proper investigation and no way to control the investigators.

My dad strangled himself. I respect his discision as I know the depths of his pain before he did it.

I think dying is dying and it is the life you leave behind that determines how honourable you are.


Agreed, life or death is a CHOICE, one is not "weak" because they decide to take their own life. It takes courage to committ suicide. Believe me, I've tried several times and wound up in the hospital. Given a choice between a lifetime of suffering, or no lifetime at all, I'd prefer the latter, as 0 is greater than negative. Without happiness life isn't worth living. It's just a long, drawn-out prison sentence. And if your curious what makes me so tick, pay close attention to what I'm saying here.
One's life is THEIRS to to what THEY wish to do with it, my life is MINE, ***I*** alone, feel the pain and struggle that I go through. I feel hopeless, angry, desperate, and victimized. Because of this, I have evolved myself beyond most of the people around me, only to isolate myself even further. However, now I can't stop pushing myself further, it's like an addiction (that in an idea world would be a great trait, but in the world we live in it just makes things more difficult, being civilized and all).
Everyone has a breaking point. It's similar to lifting weights, some can lift 500 lbs like a feather, others might collapse at 50 lbs. But, reguardless, everyone has their limits. There are those who will admit this and those who will not. When I was a child I used to think I'd never even think about suicide. Now I think about it every single day. I remember one time growing up, when an elder committed suicide (elder1) and another elder (elder2) stated he would never do such a thing as to take his own life. About a year later, elder2 put a gun to his head and blew his brains all over the bedroom walls.
My only thing is, people need to be given the right to choose death depending on the severity of the circumstances leading them to feel depressed. But, the death of the person who wishes to committ suicide must be on their own terms. Assisted suicide is fine as long as it's done on the patients terms. But a safer bet is unassisted suicide.
Suicide is merely an act of free will and self ownership, just as choosing to live is. It is wrong for society to pressure people to feel guilty about it, because your trying to make an unhappy person live an unhappy life for selfish reasons, just so other "loved ones" can be happy that this person exists. An unhappy life is torture, far far worse than dying.


An unhappy life is just that, a mental imbalance. Why are you unhappy? What steps have you taken to correct that? If you think there is no way to achieve happiness, how come others have? Have you tried what they did? Have you researched everything or simply discount everything as 'it won't work?' Do you have a 'can do attitude' or 'cant' attitude? Do you see life positively or negatively? Are you aware that these simple 'views' will dictate what you see and what you don't?

For instance, if a christian believes in christianity, then they will only look for opinions, views, like minds, or science that support their claim WHILE disregarding everything else as simply not 'their belief, its wrong, screw it.' It's 'mind blindness' at its finest. If you walk around negatively then you will only see the worst of everything. If you walk around positively, it doesn't mean you are some 'go getter' or 'high as a kite moron,' it merely means that when something goes your way, you totally acknowledge but when it goes bad, you simply brush it off (you don't ignore it, you just acknowledge it and move on)

For instance, today, I'm reeming through taxes. I was getting pissed and bitching about everything but when something good came along, I didn't even acknowledge it, it just passed by me. Is my life pure s**t? No, I just never noticed the good. Right now, I'm happy because I noticed I was doing this and so I started acknowledging the good work - when things went smoothly, when people took work from me, etc.

Now you may think "there is no good" and that is exactly my point. You aren't looking for it. State of your mind is the state of your reality. Think you can't do something don't be surprised when you can't.

Another example is my golf game. Golf is totally a mental game. If you get pissed off and focus on your last bad shot, then everything you did wrong you will continue to do. You are looking for the bad and are GETTING the bad. You're getting what you think you should. You make a bad shot, you focus on it, you do it. Why wouldnt you focus and remember your GOOD shot? No, it must be luck and when you hit a GOOD shot, you think 'f**k! finally!' You still view it negatively and then the thought probably disappears and you sum your golf game up as 100% s**t. Now, I briefly read a book about the 'mental aspect' of golf, specifically, and took note. My golf game improved by 5 strokes. Not a lot but trust me, I went from last place (out of my friends) to right up to #1 (a spot I rarely, if ever, could achieve). An average of FIVE shots just by viewing my golf game DIFFERENTLY. I was still getting bad shots but they weren't driving my game.

I used to have a negative, pissed off attitude towards everything. #1 I'm not perfect. #2 I dont know everything which means I'm subject to be wrong but that means I am learning

Now, I'm positive - People enjoy my company more, I see the good when others see the bad. My friend, who sits in his basement, cries about how much his life sucks - can't get a girl, he is depressed, etc. etc. etc. His story is not unique, others just on this forum, alone, share similar characteristics. What do I see when I see that kid? Well, outside of him being unemployed and living in his basement bitching, I see that he has a family that cares, one that doesnt seem to mind he sits on his ass all day, he has access to a car (had he not quit his job and not gotten a new one, he'd have his own car), he gets the best meals and TONS of food, his education was 100% paid for (even the car he previously owned was basically bought for him), he pays NO rent (he's 25), he is intelligent but refuses to follow it, etc. etc.

What does he see? I cant get a girl. I cant get a job. School sucks. < -- whats he doing to fix that? Well, he sits in his basement all day (cant get a job that way), he actually TURNS DOWN girls (the guy is "good looking" and is often commented on it - he just turned down someone 2 weeks ago (can't get a girl?? I think thats proof he can)), and barely goes to school (he enjoys astrology but will not study it, he'd rather just b***h about his engineering). Basically, he looks for problems when I can see, from an outside view, his life has a TON of good thats just absolutely, blatantly, ignorantly ignored. Its all infront of his face but he won't open his eyes.

I think people need to open their eyes and take in the whole world, not just what they WANT to see but also what they NEED to see. Killing yourself? No one has 'unique problems' and even if you did, there is ALWAYS someone worse off then you that hasn't killed themselves yet. So while others may justify suicide, people who are worse off haven't come to that same conclusion, despite their life sucking more.

Again, just my view, but most people view life the way they want to (whether they LIKE the way it is or not)



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01 Apr 2007, 5:37 am

i dont believe that you can tell your friend whats good about his life Corvus especially as chances are he hasnt expressed to you whats really wrong

i also dont belive that you can be so certain that you will be better off once you die snake321, i dont believe in hell but you cant convince me that its impossible. what if the afterlife is just an echo of all your lowest moments, from all we know thats as likely as true release

but i agree its a personal choice


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01 Apr 2007, 10:01 am

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Committing suicide just because your favorite tv show got cancelled or something of that nature is just stupid though. Of coarse, still it's their right, but it's dumb. if they decided to committ suicide because of some petty bs reason, we still shouldn't stop them, but there is no shame in us looking down on their path to death either.

Yeh, it's stupid. But if they have that low an I.Q, do we really want them polluting the gene pool?


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01 Apr 2007, 3:34 pm

Hara-Kiri



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01 Apr 2007, 5:55 pm

Just wait a long time.



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01 Apr 2007, 6:33 pm

MolotovCocktail wrote:
Leaving the car engine on in a garage cause carbon monoxide inside a building to rise to dangerous levels. When this happens, the first thing you will notice is that you are feeling very sleepy. Carbon Monoxide has no smell.


This is the only painless one you mentioned. The other ones are instant, but if they don't go right can be very painful.



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01 Apr 2007, 6:40 pm

Arbie wrote:
I prefer the long and drawn out torture method where you flounder through life for some 70-80 odd years doing what ever until you die of a stroke/heart attack/ cancer/ random accident or act of violence(the suspense of uncertainty is the most torturous part) ;-)


Yeah, that's the one I'm using right now.