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24 May 2015, 7:53 pm

The Demiurge is why books cannot be trusted completely. It is only through the spark within gnosis and Sophia are reachable, not through the book. Be wary of trusting any book completely.



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25 May 2015, 7:18 am

ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
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Following the stoning custom of the day, Jesus was likely looking for the man who was supposed to be there to be stoned along with the woman.

If you are to believe that part literally then why not this one?

Luke 19:27 But those enemies of mine who did not want me to be king over them—bring them here and kill them in front of me.

But that aside.

Is Jesus not judging that woman when telling her to go and sin no more?

Is he not saying she sinned and just forgiving her for the reason stated?

If we never judged evil as evil, then are we not allowing evil to grow?

Would you scrap the saying that goes, --- for evil to grow, all good people need do is nothing?

To me, not judging is allowing evil to grow.

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1 Thessalonians 5:21 Test all things; hold fast what is good.

Is this quote not saying to judge what is good and what is evil and hold fast to the good while denouncing the evil?

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As an aside fellow Gnostic Christian, have you seen anything of a creed for us?

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I take some of it with a grain of salt and with Christos, am much more apt to side on compassion and mercy. Remember, it's the Demiurge, so we are not going to see an accurate representation of this pure light energy of the Aeon Christos without some Demiurgent taint.

Of course Christos will say go and sin no more because this is how he helps us! He wants to ease our burdens and our suffering. He doesn't wish to see the woman stoned. He wants human persecutors to bestow mercy upon her, he wants to redeem her. Remember St Paul and how Christos redeemed him? St Paul is regarded as one of the early Gnostics, perhaps the first.

To judge means to sit there and ruminate on what the person does and to apply an overly harsh penalty instead of focusing on how you can help them.


I see that you have added to the text by anticipating an overly harsh penalty when none is indicated. It does not get much worse than stoning and you also ignore that Jesus was looking for the other guilty party.

You are justifying your position. Not a good thing to do.

Your definition of judge is foolish. No one judges that way.

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25 May 2015, 3:40 pm

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I see that you have added to the text by anticipating an overly harsh penalty when none is indicated. It does not get much worse than stoning and you also ignore that Jesus was looking for the other guilty party.

You are justifying your position. Not a good thing to do.

Your definition of judge is foolish. No one judges that way.

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Oh but plenty do judge that way. Why do you think people want the death penalty? I am anti death penalty because it goes against what I believe Christos stands for which is for people to not be consumed by their lower desires. He wishes for us not to be consumed by the evil of this world. He tries to show us ways to make the evil less evil. One way is mercy. Another is grace.



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25 May 2015, 3:59 pm

ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
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I see that you have added to the text by anticipating an overly harsh penalty when none is indicated. It does not get much worse than stoning and you also ignore that Jesus was looking for the other guilty party.

You are justifying your position. Not a good thing to do.

Your definition of judge is foolish. No one judges that way.

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Oh but plenty do judge that way. Why do you think people want the death penalty? I am anti death penalty because it goes against what I believe Christos stands for which is for people to not be consumed by their lower desires. He wishes for us not to be consumed by the evil of this world. He tries to show us ways to make the evil less evil. One way is mercy. Another is grace.


Mercy has a meaning. Grace is a garbage term that means nothing.

You might want to stop using it.

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25 May 2015, 5:58 pm

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ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
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I see that you have added to the text by anticipating an overly harsh penalty when none is indicated. It does not get much worse than stoning and you also ignore that Jesus was looking for the other guilty party.

You are justifying your position. Not a good thing to do.

Your definition of judge is foolish. No one judges that way.

Regards
DL


Oh but plenty do judge that way. Why do you think people want the death penalty? I am anti death penalty because it goes against what I believe Christos stands for which is for people to not be consumed by their lower desires. He wishes for us not to be consumed by the evil of this world. He tries to show us ways to make the evil less evil. One way is mercy. Another is grace.


Mercy has a meaning. Grace is a garbage term that means nothing.

You might want to stop using it.

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Welp, no more arguing with you. You do not seem that interested in the various applications of Christos' energy.



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25 May 2015, 6:07 pm

ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
[...] You do not seem that interested in the various applications of Christos' energy.
I am! Let's see a demonstration!



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25 May 2015, 6:12 pm

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ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
[...] You do not seem that interested in the various applications of Christos' energy.
I am! Let's see a demonstration!

Are you referring to abracadabra?



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25 May 2015, 6:50 pm

ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
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ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
[...] You do not seem that interested in the various applications of Christos' energy.
I am! Let's see a demonstration!
Are you referring to abracadabra?
No, I'm referring to an actual demonstration of what can happen when this "Christos Energy" is put to use. It's one thing to believe in something, but it's quite another to show it in action.



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25 May 2015, 7:04 pm

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ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
Fnord wrote:
ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
[...] You do not seem that interested in the various applications of Christos' energy.
I am! Let's see a demonstration!
Are you referring to abracadabra?
No, I'm referring to an actual demonstration of what can happen when this "Christos Energy" is put to use. It's one thing to believe in something, but it's quite another to show it in action.


Oh come on. You know you see it everywhere. It's something that causes you to feel happy you are alive. Take a look around. You will see demonstrations of this energy. Just earlier, I got a free cup of coffee just "because" and I knew Christos. Grace.



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25 May 2015, 7:11 pm

ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
Fnord wrote:
ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
Fnord wrote:
ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
[...] You do not seem that interested in the various applications of Christos' energy.
I am! Let's see a demonstration!
Are you referring to abracadabra?
No, I'm referring to an actual demonstration of what can happen when this "Christos Energy" is put to use. It's one thing to believe in something, but it's quite another to show it in action.
Oh come on. You know you see it everywhere. It's something that causes you to feel happy you are alive. Take a look around. You will see demonstrations of this energy. Just earlier, I got a free cup of coffee just "because" and I knew Christos. Grace.
No. What makes me happy are endorphins - chemicals in the brain.

I see causal events all around me. Nothing is happening for no apparent reason - no miracles, no mysteries, no signs of divine intervention of any kind.

Everything is perfectly normal. No need for imaginary 'energies' to explain it.



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25 May 2015, 7:15 pm

Fnord wrote:
ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
Fnord wrote:
ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
Fnord wrote:
ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
[...] You do not seem that interested in the various applications of Christos' energy.
I am! Let's see a demonstration!
Are you referring to abracadabra?
No, I'm referring to an actual demonstration of what can happen when this "Christos Energy" is put to use. It's one thing to believe in something, but it's quite another to show it in action.
Oh come on. You know you see it everywhere. It's something that causes you to feel happy you are alive. Take a look around. You will see demonstrations of this energy. Just earlier, I got a free cup of coffee just "because" and I knew Christos. Grace.
No. What makes me happy are endorphins - chemicals in the brain.

I see causal events all around me. Nothing is happening for no apparent reason - no miracles, no mysteries, no signs of divine intervention of any kind.

Everything is perfectly normal. No need for imaginary 'energies' to explain it.

I am not denying endorphins in the brain. Are you denying the existence of energy? Did you know what you do is because of it? When you fight - it's energy. Love - energy. Hate = energy. Everything you do is because of energy. Every action is backed up by it. No denying it. What you choose to do with it will either make it worse or better.



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25 May 2015, 7:26 pm

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I am not denying endorphins in the brain. Are you denying the existence of energy? Did you know what you do is because of it? When you fight - it's energy. Love - energy. Hate = energy. Everything you do is because of energy. Every action is backed up by it. No denying it. What you choose to do with it will either make it worse or better.
When you fight, it's adrenaline. Love and hate are states of mind that trigger floods of endorphins.

If I have any energy, it is due to mitochondria in my cells. These structures are sometimes described as "the powerhouse of the cell" because they generate most of the cell's supply of adenosine triphosphate (ATP), used as a source of energy throughout the body.

I believe in energy, but only the energy that can be measured. Adenosine triphosphate is real, measurable, and can be produced in the lab in vast quantities. Same for adrenaline, glucose, caffeine, and other energy-producing stimulants.

What you describe is subjective and fictitious - a fantasy.

Of course, if you can repeatedly demonstrate the practical application of this alleged energy, then I might be willing to believe you.

That's what you want, isn't it? To be believed? Wouldn't you rather be truthful?



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25 May 2015, 7:30 pm

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I am not denying endorphins in the brain. Are you denying the existence of energy? Did you know what you do is because of it? When you fight - it's energy. Love - energy. Hate = energy. Everything you do is because of energy. Every action is backed up by it. No denying it. What you choose to do with it will either make it worse or better.
When you fight, it's adrenaline. Love and hate are states of mind that trigger floods of endorphins.

If I have any energy, it is due to mitochondria in my cells. These structures are sometimes described as "the powerhouse of the cell" because they generate most of the cell's supply of adenosine triphosphate (ATP), used as a source of energy throughout the body.

I believe in energy, but only the energy that can be measured. Adenosine triphosphate is real, measurable, and can be produced in the lab in vast quantities. Same for adrenaline, glucose, caffeine, and other energy-producing stimulants.

What you describe is subjective and fictitious - a fantasy.

Of course, if you can repeatedly demonstrate the practical application of this alleged energy, then I might be willing to believe you.

That's what you want, isn't it? To be believed? Wouldn't you rather be truthful?



Well Fnord, if you are going to deny the existence of energy there's nothing more I can say. Even when you sleep, your body is a source of potential energy. You always have it and it is always with you. Deny all you want it is there and you could not exist without it. Your cells produce it and when they aren't their potential is stored so that counts as energy too. It's your true constant companion in this life.



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25 May 2015, 7:36 pm

ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
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ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
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I am not denying endorphins in the brain. Are you denying the existence of energy? Did you know what you do is because of it? When you fight - it's energy. Love - energy. Hate = energy. Everything you do is because of energy. Every action is backed up by it. No denying it. What you choose to do with it will either make it worse or better.
When you fight, it's adrenaline. Love and hate are states of mind that trigger floods of endorphins.

If I have any energy, it is due to mitochondria in my cells. These structures are sometimes described as "the powerhouse of the cell" because they generate most of the cell's supply of adenosine triphosphate (ATP), used as a source of energy throughout the body.

I believe in energy, but only the energy that can be measured. Adenosine triphosphate is real, measurable, and can be produced in the lab in vast quantities. Same for adrenaline, glucose, caffeine, and other energy-producing stimulants.

What you describe is subjective and fictitious - a fantasy.

Of course, if you can repeatedly demonstrate the practical application of this alleged energy, then I might be willing to believe you.

That's what you want, isn't it? To be believed? Wouldn't you rather be truthful?
Well Fnord, if you are going to deny the existence of energy there's nothing more I can say. Even when you sleep, your body is a source of potential energy. You always have it and it is always with you. Deny all you want it is there and you could not exist without it. Your cells produce it and when they aren't their potential is stored so that counts as energy too. It's your true constant companion in this life.
I am not denying that my body is producing energy. What I am denying is your understanding of it.



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25 May 2015, 7:37 pm

Fnord wrote:
ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
Fnord wrote:
ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
Fnord wrote:
ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
[...] You do not seem that interested in the various applications of Christos' energy.
I am! Let's see a demonstration!
Are you referring to abracadabra?
No, I'm referring to an actual demonstration of what can happen when this "Christos Energy" is put to use. It's one thing to believe in something, but it's quite another to show it in action.
Oh come on. You know you see it everywhere. It's something that causes you to feel happy you are alive. Take a look around. You will see demonstrations of this energy. Just earlier, I got a free cup of coffee just "because" and I knew Christos. Grace.
No. What makes me happy are endorphins - chemicals in the brain.

I see causal events all around me. Nothing is happening for no apparent reason - no miracles, no mysteries, no signs of divine intervention of any kind.

Everything is perfectly normal. No need for imaginary 'energies' to explain it.


Well; that's an easy one Fnord; there are endorphins; there are adrenaline related neurohormones; there is dopamine; there is serotonin; there is natural occurring DMT; there are all sorts of androgen related hormones; and then there is the synergy of CHI with human relative free will in total focus of positive emotional energy; with no fear baby; at all;
same stuff as this Christos Energy Ana is speaking of; different cultural metaphors; same stuff at essence
of truth, in real flesh and blood stuff.

Well; that's the reason I can leg press 930LBS, 14 times, slowly, with arms raised; all force on legs, on a parallel leg press machine that is about twice as difficult as a vertical sled leg press machine; that steroid heads often struggle to do with their hands pressing their knees. I have the CHI, The Christos, and oh yeah, 'the FORCE FROM Star Wars' mighty strong in me; and when people do call me Legend in real life, and Hero of Dance; it is because of precisely this.

So what have your endorphins done for you lately, in terms of empirical results, in actually doing something with your body that impresses another person, in real flesh and blood connecting life that you can prove.

CHI makes stuff happen baby; it ain't nothing new; but no one, and I do mean no one, leg presses 930 LBS the way I do, in the entire YouTube world of steroid heads; CHI, is all natural all the time; all amazing Force and Christos metaphor of energy too; and there are scores of other metaphors for this much greater all innate, instinctual, and intuitive human potential power found within human being and practiced across cultures.

I just know how to put it into words; more than most, for a wordy explanation down to all the neurohormones and neurochemicals involved in a perfect storm of human potential named CHI, Christos, QI, KI, Force; and yes, again, the list goes on and one for the same essence of truth, in massive human potential more fully realized, like that mustard thingy that the real historical folks report in Gnostic Gospels of Jesus.

Trust me whether or not Magick exists; if you
have the potential for the Placebo effect;
it will do you wonders to believe in
something beyond
what you 'think' is real.
'Thinking' is the problem to begin with.
In REALEST CHI, CHRISTOS, and the 'Star Wars Force; there is no thinking at all;
ONLY DOING; when the flesh and blood hits the real highways of
real life challenge for again, massive human potential more
fully realized..:)


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25 May 2015, 7:42 pm

Ahh ... finally!

The two of you have fun, now!

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