President Obama pretends to be Black
jrjones9933 wrote:
I recall hearing Native Americans use the term "black white men" to describe the first Africans they encountered.
Speaking of Native Americans, I think they often use the 1/64 rule. I guess it makes sense, since they have suffered even worse oppression than African-Americans in the aggregate.
Speaking of Native Americans, I think they often use the 1/64 rule. I guess it makes sense, since they have suffered even worse oppression than African-Americans in the aggregate.
When Virginia passed the Racial Integrity Act of 1924, the first one-drop law in the country, the one-drop rule was applied to African ancestry and all other ancestry from people of color, except Native American ancestry, which was required a 1/8th quantum to be considered as such; this was the so-called Pocahontas exception, as many "first families" of Virginia claimed to be descended from Pocahontas, meaning they would have been labeled as Native American. However, actual members of tribes in Virginia who would be considered white under the law would come to have their birth certificates updated to reflect "African" by the Nazi-loving Walter Plecker, Virginia's registrar of statistics, who accused them all of concealing African ancestry. This has destroyed federal recognition of Indian tribes in Virginia. Recently, there have been legislative efforts to rectify this, but they have all been voted down in Congress.
This law and the related Act to Provide for Sexual Sterilization of Inmates in State Insitutions in Certain Cases inspired the eugenics laws of Nazi Germany and helped bring about the Holocaust. Plecker in 1937 sent a letter to a German official praising the Nazi eugenics program and lamenting the U.S. Constitution's limitations on what he could do in his country.
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Obama just happens to look more black than white and his wife looks more black than white, too and so do his kids. If both girls marry men with darker skin when they are older, and their parents and grandparents have darker skin, too, chances are Obama's grandchildren will also look more black than white but if they marry someone who looks white, the grandkids might look white, too and identify with caucasians but there's no indication Obama feels caucasian. He seems to feel more black.
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naturalplastic wrote:
So if you don't like Obama being labeled "Black" take your complaint to the now dead White American law makers of the past who set up the rules.
Times are a changing.
No they are not, unfortunately. This is just wishful thinking. In reality, the vast majority of Americans, including many people of color, due to implicit learning (which lots of people like to discount, ignorantly), still consider white to represent the default human and consider any clear deviations from this to represent that a person is of color.
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Lintar wrote:
jrjones9933 wrote:
I mean, c'mon. Everyone knows he's half white. By the one-drop rule, he's white.
Who cares? Why is skin colour still such a big issue in the U.S.? The rest of the world has moved on, we don't take a person's ethnicity, nationality, or colour into consideration anymore. This is the 21st, not 19th, century.
Still the 19th century on the football pitch, though.
Anyway, I occasionally create threads so heavy-handedly ironic that I feel they should need no explanation. Occasionally, I'm wrong about the need for explanation.
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beneficii wrote:
ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
And yet you could have a black great great great grandmother and still have blond, straight-as-a-board hair, and blue eyes. No one would ever guess. All it takes is a few generations of grandparents marrying and procreating with partners that look like themselves and it buries all the genes from further back. So I don't know how the "one drop" rule applies.
At one point the genes might creep up but the odds are greater they won't. They will just stay recessive until paired with genes like themselves. They could present a little but it would be subtle, as in the shape of the nose or body. Hair could be wavy.
At one point the genes might creep up but the odds are greater they won't. They will just stay recessive until paired with genes like themselves. They could present a little but it would be subtle, as in the shape of the nose or body. Hair could be wavy.
Not quite correct regarding white people's hair. While most white people's hair may seem "straight as a board" relative to most black people's hair, white people's hair actually has a far greater tendency to be wavy.
Among the peoples most likely to have "straight as a board" hair are Han Chinese, Koreans, and Japanese.
It could be wavy due to a gene from way back they inherited from an African ancestor. Most people cannot trace their ancestry through the generations. Asians are far less likely to have African ancestors for thousands and thousands of years while whites could possibly have some in their background because Africa is much closer to where the caucasians are clustered, traditionally, which would be Europe and some of Russia. And a caucasian might not necessarily have kids with a black partner, rather, one from northern Africa or the middle east, and since these places are either in Africa or very close, the chances some of the people from there will have genes from a black ancestor and this is how they were spread into Europe, through the Roman Empire for one. I haven't heard of anyone who can trace their genes back to the Roman Empire, 2000 + years ago. Maybe some of the royals can, and people in the ME.
It is interesting you noted the fact about Asians because they actually are the ones who are less likely to have black ancestry and if they do, it might be so far back it simply will not show up in their hair so you see a preponderance of straight hair.
Also, people who are native American without any white or black ancestors are likely to have the same hair as the Asians, and they were isolated, too, like the Asian population, from the gene that produces curls or waves, depending on what genes it's paired with.
I'm not sure I'd buy that the Asian population was isolated, but I think you might be right about there being greater African ancestry in Europeans; after all, it was right across the Mediterranean!
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