15 Aug 2015, 9:16 am
Orwell wrote:
LoveNotHate wrote:
Are you saying that throughout history whenever a country did not have certain amount of taxes, then the people lived uncivilized?
When exactly did the people of the United States become civilized ? Was it before the federal income tax or after ? After right? So everyone in the 1800s were uncivilized fools who did not realize their pitiful state of not having government workers think and do for them ?
When exactly did the people of the United States become civilized ? Was it before the federal income tax or after ? After right? So everyone in the 1800s were uncivilized fools who did not realize their pitiful state of not having government workers think and do for them ?
I never said anything about specific levels of taxation. You're the one spouting rhetoric about taxation inherently being morally wrong, which would necessarily imply it being wrong at any level. You're either an anarchist or a hypocrite, and in either case a hypocrite since you're happy to use government-provided services while still selfishly bitching about how you don't want to chip in for the cost of them like everyone else.
You don't even know me, and you call me a hypocrite.
That means the truth is hurting
But yeah I am big time anti-tax.
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LoveNotHate wrote:
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He still presents the same hypocrisy of "true socialists".
They say they want to help the poor, but get angry when a business moves to a third world nation and helps the very, very poor. Not those poor! Me. Me. Me. Me. Me. Selfishly cries the Scandinavian-style social democrat/Socialist.
They say they want to help the poor, but get angry when a business moves to a third world nation and helps the very, very poor. Not those poor! Me. Me. Me. Me. Me. Selfishly cries the Scandinavian-style social democrat/Socialist.
You seem to have very little idea what is meant by socialism. No one in America is proposing nationalizing all the banks, farms, and heavy industry, for starters. No one in Norway is either, to my knowledge.
I am citing policies from the major Socialist websites.
Do you know their specific policies ? Do you read the news about the trade group protests regarding outsourcing? Do you read about Bernie Sanders's objections to outsourcing? Have you read Karl Marx's famous speeches, and lines in which he referred to outsourcing as "the means for the business man to crush the worker"?
Not giving a hoot about most of the poor people of the world is the Socialist doctrine.
15 Aug 2015, 10:56 am
LoveNotHate wrote:
You don't even know me, and you call me a hypocrite.
That means the truth is hurting
That means the truth is hurting
No, it means you are being inconsistent and I'm calling you out on it.
Case in point:
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But yeah I am big time anti-tax.
Then quit using government services that are funded by those taxes.
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I am citing policies from the major Socialist websites.
Such as...? You have an absurdly broad notion of "socialism."
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Do you read the news about the trade group protests regarding outsourcing?
So? Unions are not, generally speaking, socialist organizations. At least not in modern times.
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Do you read about Bernie Sanders's objections to outsourcing?
Yeah. It's a more complicated issue than either you or he seem to believe.
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Not giving a hoot about most of the poor people of the world is the Socialist doctrine.
It really isn't. Socialist ideology calls for global revolution. One of many reasons why it's untenable, but claiming that socialist doctrine is somehow chauvinistic or exclusionary is absurd.
15 Aug 2015, 1:01 pm
LoveNotHate wrote:
Bernie Sanders has a perverted philosophy that wealth should be transferred from earners to non-earners.
His solutions -- oh, and how original -- are to raise taxes. Likely, his solution for *everything* is to raise taxes.
His supporters openly carry around "Robin Hood" signs acknowledging this.
Supporter 1: "Hey let's go rip off someone with money!".
Supporter 2: "Yeah, thievery is fun! And Bernie makes it sound moral too!"
His solutions -- oh, and how original -- are to raise taxes. Likely, his solution for *everything* is to raise taxes.
His supporters openly carry around "Robin Hood" signs acknowledging this.
Supporter 1: "Hey let's go rip off someone with money!".
Supporter 2: "Yeah, thievery is fun! And Bernie makes it sound moral too!"
You'll find it's the ones embracing the "my brother's keeper" mentality to not to be the keepers but the ones being kept. They have a vested interested in taking from the haves to give to the havenots (all too often derelicts and slackers).
15 Aug 2015, 1:26 pm
Raptor wrote:
LoveNotHate wrote:
Bernie Sanders has a perverted philosophy that wealth should be transferred from earners to non-earners.
His solutions -- oh, and how original -- are to raise taxes. Likely, his solution for *everything* is to raise taxes.
His supporters openly carry around "Robin Hood" signs acknowledging this.
Supporter 1: "Hey let's go rip off someone with money!".
Supporter 2: "Yeah, thievery is fun! And Bernie makes it sound moral too!"
His solutions -- oh, and how original -- are to raise taxes. Likely, his solution for *everything* is to raise taxes.
His supporters openly carry around "Robin Hood" signs acknowledging this.
Supporter 1: "Hey let's go rip off someone with money!".
Supporter 2: "Yeah, thievery is fun! And Bernie makes it sound moral too!"
You'll find it's the ones embracing the "my brother's keeper" mentality to not to be the keepers but the ones being kept. They have a vested interested in taking from the haves to give to the havenots (all too often derelicts and slackers).
I think that this is slightly harsh, but there is a lot of truth in this. If everyone only took what they needed, and produced what they could,socialism might work. You know, " From each according to his ability, to each according to his need ". Until these 'progressives' get on board with this, their programs will never work.
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15 Aug 2015, 1:44 pm
15 Aug 2015, 1:50 pm
AnonymousAnonymous wrote:
It has rumored as of yesterday that Al Gore might make another run for the White House.
What do people think of this?
What do people think of this?
Frankly, I think he's just another self-entitled brat who was born with a silver spoon in his mouth.
15 Aug 2015, 2:25 pm
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15 Aug 2015, 2:38 pm
cathylynn wrote:
to all those saying bernie can't win the general election, polls show that he bests any republican candidate for now.
Which polls say so?
15 Aug 2015, 3:58 pm
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15 Aug 2015, 5:12 pm
The_Walrus wrote:
LoveNotHate wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Bernie is probably the most honest person running for the White House in either party
Bernie Sanders has a perverted philosophy that wealth should be transferred from earners to non-earners.
His solutions -- oh, and how original -- are to raise taxes. Likely, his solution for *everything* is to raise taxes.
Why don't you look at what he actually says rather than throwing around unqualified accusations?
http://feelthebern.org/
The vast majority of the man's solutions are not "raise taxes"
I disagree. nearly everything he wants to do is backed up by a tax.
The solution for college? Taxes
The solution for Healthcare : Taxes
The solution for Climate Crisis: Taxes
The solution for poverty: Taxes
The solution for jobs : Taxes
The solution for education: Taxes
The solution for infastructure: Taxes
Tax income: He definitely wants to raise income taxes
Tax gas; Of course he does.
That is the whole point of being "Robin Hood" Sanders. He is coming to rob people who have money. And this is just scratching the surface. Imagine all the other taxes I will likely find if I did a full search on this guy. He scares the heck out me.
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15 Aug 2015, 5:48 pm
LoveNotHate wrote:
The_Walrus wrote:
LoveNotHate wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Bernie is probably the most honest person running for the White House in either party
Bernie Sanders has a perverted philosophy that wealth should be transferred from earners to non-earners.
His solutions -- oh, and how original -- are to raise taxes. Likely, his solution for *everything* is to raise taxes.
Why don't you look at what he actually says rather than throwing around unqualified accusations?
http://feelthebern.org/
The vast majority of the man's solutions are not "raise taxes"
I disagree. nearly everything he wants to do is backed up by a tax.
The solution for college? Taxes
The solution for Healthcare : Taxes
The solution for Climate Crisis: Taxes
The solution for poverty: Taxes
The solution for jobs : Taxes
The solution for education: Taxes
The solution for infastructure: Taxes
Tax income: He definitely wants to raise income taxes
Tax gas; Of course he does.
That is the whole point of being "Robin Hood" Sanders. He is coming to rob people who have money. And this is just scratching the surface. Imagine all the other taxes I will likely find if I did a full search on this guy. He scares the heck out me.
Again, taxation is how things get done. How else are you going to accomplish those things?
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15 Aug 2015, 9:13 pm
glebel wrote:
Raptor wrote:
LoveNotHate wrote:
Bernie Sanders has a perverted philosophy that wealth should be transferred from earners to non-earners.
His solutions -- oh, and how original -- are to raise taxes. Likely, his solution for *everything* is to raise taxes.
His supporters openly carry around "Robin Hood" signs acknowledging this.
Supporter 1: "Hey let's go rip off someone with money!".
Supporter 2: "Yeah, thievery is fun! And Bernie makes it sound moral too!"
His solutions -- oh, and how original -- are to raise taxes. Likely, his solution for *everything* is to raise taxes.
His supporters openly carry around "Robin Hood" signs acknowledging this.
Supporter 1: "Hey let's go rip off someone with money!".
Supporter 2: "Yeah, thievery is fun! And Bernie makes it sound moral too!"
You'll find it's the ones embracing the "my brother's keeper" mentality to not to be the keepers but the ones being kept. They have a vested interested in taking from the haves to give to the havenots (all too often derelicts and slackers).
I think that this is slightly harsh, but there is a lot of truth in this.
Harsh or not, it's the way it is so and there's no point candy coating it.
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If everyone only took what they needed, and produced what they could,socialism might work. You know, " From each according to his ability, to each according to his need ". Until these 'progressives' get on board with this, their programs will never work.
Socialism won't fly in this country and I wouldn't want to even try. More poor people have become rich here than anywhere else because capitalism does reward. Not always but enough to call it good enough. It's the sheer laziness and the want to rob others of their earnings that I have an issue with.
