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23 Aug 2015, 11:19 am

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It doesn't matter if he's a "loyal follower of God", or was "only" 15 when he molested his sisters, he is still a child molester and deserves to rot in jail. He did it, he has admitted that he did it, convict him, lock him away with all the other child molesters, done.



It's true he admitted it but since he was still under 18, it's not the same as he admitting it now but if something happens now or in the future and the evidence is there, hopefully the state of Arkansas or Maryland, if was living there at the time, will prosecute.



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23 Aug 2015, 11:25 am

ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
It's true he admitted it but since he was still under 18, it's not the same as he admitting it now but if something happens now or in the future and the evidence is there, hopefully the state of Arkansas or Maryland, if was living there at the time, will prosecute.

Well let's just hope that happens. I think it will happen at some point. Shanda Sharer's killers were all under 18, and they were tried as adults and sentenced within a year.



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23 Aug 2015, 11:28 am

ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
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Blau, Matthew 6:1-7 is probably my favorite part of the Gospels. In one fell swoop Jesus wipes out basically the whole underpinnings of American Christianity, which is based on praying in the streets and other public places (such as TV shows). Stick a fish sticker on your car alongside the "not of this world" decal, and you're Christian! Well, no. Jesus says it right there, plain as day. People claim to read the Bible daily, but they must skip Matt 6 and other inconvenient parts. If you really want to trip out, pick up the Gospel of Thomas.


I'm an atheist, but that jesus of nazareth guy was on to something.

Sometimes I wonder how much it would cost to have a bunch of really nice framed prints of the sermon on the mount handy to mail out to folks who are shamelessly practicing priestcraft.

As for the hypocrites, why do they see the mote in their brother's eye but fail to see the beam in their own?


It's because they believe it's their duty to rebuke thee even if they are sinning and when they are found, they will be rebuked and told to repent as well. This is the cornerstone of the Christian faith, rebuking, by way of telling sinners they are not living a Godly life, and then expect the same when their own sins are found out, and then told to change what they do, getting right with God.



That might be the dominant behavior of people who claim to follow the teachings of jesus of nazareth, but it is a false doctrine.



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23 Aug 2015, 11:30 am

Matthew 7:16-20King James Version (KJV)

16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?

17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.

18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.

19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.

20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.



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23 Aug 2015, 1:27 pm

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There has to be an arrest, an arraignment, then a pre-trial hearing, then a trial, then a conviction, then a sentencing.Then an appeal, then another appeal, then another appeal ...
I'm shocked at how lenient the law has been with him. Child molesters are usually locked away pretty quickly.
There has to be a preponderance of evidence. Mere suspicion and media accusations are not evidence.



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23 Aug 2015, 1:39 pm

Catlover5 wrote:
It doesn't matter if he's a "loyal follower of God", or was "only" 15 when he molested his sisters, he is still a child molester and deserves to rot in jail. He did it, he has admitted that he did it, convict him, lock him away with all the other child molesters, done.


I believe the statute of limitations covers his backside in this case, as the molestation chargers had occurred too long ago. With this new scandal... well, there isn't any penalty for being a piece of crap cheating spouse, save for the public shaming.


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23 Aug 2015, 1:47 pm

I'm not surprised to see someone like him on a website like that, just like that one somewhat popular Youtuber. Of course the fundamentalists see nothing wrong with this and their spouse will forgive them, since they're too blinded by faith.

Being religious is fine and all, but when you start hurting people, it's dangerous.



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23 Aug 2015, 5:17 pm

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I'm not surprised to see someone like him on a website like that, just like that one somewhat popular Youtuber. Of course the fundamentalists see nothing wrong with this and their spouse will forgive them, since they're too blinded by faith.

Being religious is fine and all, but when you start hurting people, it's dangerous.


Sometimes it's just to cover up what they loathe themselves for.

Like that George Rekers guy who hired a rentboy, to "carry his bags". from rentboy.com.



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23 Aug 2015, 6:19 pm

blauSamstag wrote:
andrethemoogle wrote:
I'm not surprised to see someone like him on a website like that, just like that one somewhat popular Youtuber. Of course the fundamentalists see nothing wrong with this and their spouse will forgive them, since they're too blinded by faith.

Being religious is fine and all, but when you start hurting people, it's dangerous.


Sometimes it's just to cover up what they loathe themselves for.

Like that George Rekers guy who hired a rentboy, to "carry his bags". from rentboy.com.


Rekers had done that "sissy boy" therapy, using one particular kid who his parents had handed over to him as a shining example of how this therapy worked. The kid grew up to commit suicide, because he had been taught to hate himself for his own homosexuality.


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23 Aug 2015, 6:58 pm

And sure enough, Bibleholics are quick to blame American culture for Josh Duggar's transgressions.

http://www.people.com/article/cross-chu ... son-sermon

It's always someone else's fault.

But wait...I thought Jim Bob and Michelle's isolating, Bibleholic, strict, family centered, Quiverfull existence was proof against the so called culture of infidelity. While I admit, the culture is somewhat fixated on sex and the body, I do not hold it responsible for anyone's desire to have sex or be naked. That is the individual's will, or uncontrollable, subconscious impulses if they do not desire to be this way. They will view it as a problem and it will bother them and perhaps spur them onto depression or acting out in unhealthy ways.

Never once do they put the blame on the fact that it might just be how some people are and this strict mold they try to force Josh Duggar into isn't how he can exist in a healthy, honest way. It's always someone else's fault. The CULTURE turned Josh Duggar into a sex fiend which is ironic and untrue considering Josh Duggar has had less to do with the wicked, lust filled, flesh worshiping culture than 99% of the population so he should be completely and utterly devoid of any desire for sex outside of procreating with his wife.

And yet, look at him. He is doing those terrible things Bibleholics accuse the infidels of doing.

Of course, it was only a matter of time before someone blamed Josh's wife for his infidelities, which Ronnie Floyd, the Duggar's pastor, has already swiftly made that accusation.

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Floyd then spoke about five guidelines people should follow when it comes to relationships and sex.

One of the most notable was the fifth suggestion, which mentioned keeping both husband and wife happy through "sexual contact," which may only be put on hold for "focused prayer." However, Floyd warned, if a husband or wife fails to keep his or her partner happy sexually they are opening themselves "up to the attack of the enemy.

"And that enemy is going to take your spouse away from you," he said.

"Both men and woman have their sexual needs met by someone, somewhere, somehow."


Not sure where, exactly, in the Bible it says if a spouse cannot, for whatever reason, fulfill their partner's sexual needs, they will find it elsewhere and eventually leave the marriage. This is the kind of bs that alienates me and hopefully others from the concept of marriage. What a total drag he makes it sound, putting the burden on each partner's shoulders, saying if they fail to perform up to the sexual standards, the marriage is doomed and it's their own fault. These people sound completely and utterly loveless. They act like the only reason anyone would ever marry is for the sex and if for some reason Viagra is needed yet not available, it's the spouses fault. Who wants to live with that pressure? Who wants to get married after reading or listening to that bs?



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23 Aug 2015, 7:38 pm

I don't really think Josh and Anna's marriage says anything about the institution of marriage in general. They are weirdos, and their relationship is an outlier.



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23 Aug 2015, 7:46 pm

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I don't really think Josh and Anna's marriage says anything about the institution of marriage in general. They are weirdos, and their relationship is an outlier.

Hardly weirdos!

With those statistics, it's not that uncommon and judging from what I have heard and seen, it is not. That's not dissing the sincerely happily married, I applaud them since they are the only ones that give any credibility at all to it. If it were not for them, it would be pretty much meaningless, just a ceremony and nothing more. So some of them can exist like that. What I hate is when these religious people want to make people feel inferior just because they don't agree with marriage. That is what I dislike most. Overwhelming evidence exists it's not ideal for some people so why try to penalize us. Just go about your married business and don't worry about what others choose for their lives.



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23 Aug 2015, 7:49 pm

ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
Not sure where, exactly, in the Bible it says if a spouse cannot, for whatever reason, fulfill their partner's sexual needs, they will find it elsewhere and eventually leave the marriage. This is the kind of bs that alienates me and hopefully others from the concept of marriage. What a total drag he makes it sound, putting the burden on each partner's shoulders, saying if they fail to perform up to the sexual standards, the marriage is doomed and it's their own fault. These people sound completely and utterly loveless. They act like the only reason anyone would ever marry is for the sex and if for some reason Viagra is needed yet not available, it's the spouses fault. Who wants to live with that pressure? Who wants to get married after reading or listening to that bs?


I don't know that part.

I do know the part where it says that if a divorced person hooks up with someone else, they are considered to be an adulterer.



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23 Aug 2015, 7:58 pm

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ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
Not sure where, exactly, in the Bible it says if a spouse cannot, for whatever reason, fulfill their partner's sexual needs, they will find it elsewhere and eventually leave the marriage. This is the kind of bs that alienates me and hopefully others from the concept of marriage. What a total drag he makes it sound, putting the burden on each partner's shoulders, saying if they fail to perform up to the sexual standards, the marriage is doomed and it's their own fault. These people sound completely and utterly loveless. They act like the only reason anyone would ever marry is for the sex and if for some reason Viagra is needed yet not available, it's the spouses fault. Who wants to live with that pressure? Who wants to get married after reading or listening to that bs?


I don't know that part.

I do know the part where it says that if a divorced person hooks up with someone else, they are considered to be an adulterer.



Yes, that's true and when you are married, you aren't supposed to hook up with other married folk either. You are supposed to stay with one person forever and ever and ever. The entire time you are on earth and with another person, it has to be the same one and it must be the one the church joined you with in the eyes of God. Therein lies the challenge. Some people can do that and be perfectly happy. Others can't.



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23 Aug 2015, 8:31 pm

When I said they were weirdos, I wasn't referring to the fact that Josh cheated. I was referring to their cultish, platonic "courtship", their obsession with breeding, and the rest of their whack-a-do fundie space cadet views. Hardly an example of a typical marriage.



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23 Aug 2015, 9:16 pm

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When I said they were weirdos, I wasn't referring to the fact that Josh cheated. I was referring to their cultish, platonic "courtship", their obsession with breeding, and the rest of their whack-a-do fundie space cadet views. Hardly an example of a typical marriage.

You would think it's atypical but keep in mind Josh Duggar worked for an influential fundie Washington lobbying group called Family Research Council where he lobbied the federal government for families just like his.