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There is a lack of willingness to enforce the law, it seems like these migrants are kind of daring the authorities to act against them so they can cry racism and persecution. The problem is credibility, once people know you can't just walk past border guards then they won't even try but what we have right now are essentially western politicians opening the floodgates, why wouldn't you leave Central America or Middle East if it is being sold to you as a better life? Germany is saying they're going to let in 800,000 people a year, that's like announcing a race.

A physical barrier, modern technology, some policy changes, and not being afraid to enforce our laws can go a long way in easing this problem even if it doesn't solve it. A trickle is better than a raging river. A deportation policy can work fine but only if we have the cooperation of Mexico, that's how it worked in the 50s under Eisenhower when he deported over a million illegals over the course a year with only 750 border gents and no border barrier to speak of. Mexico doesn't want to help us on this issue tho as we are solving a problem for them by taking their poor and underclass, Mexico is a very unequal racist society and the elites like President Enrique Pena Nieto look down on these migrants as subhuman. Look at their TV stations, look at their politicians, then go look at the people coming over our border and you'll understand that they're not the same. The Mexican state is rotten to its core, we have to get tough on them if they're ever going to get their act together.

We could break the cartels tomorrow by legalizing drugs, yeah they could still make money in human trafficking but that's not what makes gives them an arsenal that surpasses most of the world's militaries. Like I said tho, that means chickens coming home to roost for our alphabet soup agencies and they sure as hell don't want that to happen. I wouldn't be surprised if drug money is used to be elements in our government to fund jihadis in the middle east that in some convoluted way are thought of serving American interests.

Normal people would get killed for speaking such truths and have, how can you fight such evil? Some of Trump's buffoonery might seem offensive to you but a lot of people look at as a person who is totally free of the system and not beholden to anyone, he makes these very powerful people afraid and I'm not talking about the fake fear they try to spread when they try to goad us into war or take away our freedoms but real fear of someone they cannot control. Maybe we should be afraid to, maybe not. All I know is that the establishment is not on our side and they hate Trump so maybe we should follow the logic they always try to get us to follow about the enemy of my enemy. It's desperation, it really is, Russian roulette makes a lot of sense when you really think about it.

You haven't hit the nail on the head. It is not fully enforced becuase it costs money and resources. Believe me it won't be long before corners are cut in the US too. Chances are it is already happening.

I think may it is a valuable lesson to learn, even if is the hard way. Good luck with that.



Trump sold out on this too. He said something like this once. Now he opposes the legalization of MJ. He is not that differnt from any politician.

I don't know about your country but there is a blatant disregard for enforcing our immigration laws here, they just don't do it and the people that attempt to are called racist. We have cities that don't even deliberately don't detain violent criminals long enough for federal authorities to deport them. The people coming here know that the way things we have been handling things that they'll likely never be forced to leave if they can make it in. These people are tremendous drain on our resources, we have too many needy people we need to take care of already that we're failing. Liberal white guilt doesn't serve us well when it comes to immigration, people need to understand compassion has its limits and we need to take care of our own.

Open borders is a suicidal policy

Only for welfare states.

Obama has been deporting 2,000,000 a year. Mostly it is when they are released from serving their felony prison term.

That is expensive. A wall is expensive, will need to be manned, but will be cheaper than not building it.

Reduction of incoming is key, an increase in deportations, and the 11 million low number could be removed in four years.

As the percent of illegals declines, the deportation workforce increases.

Just because Trump has things made offshore, does not mean he will defend it. A tax on imports, 15% on a shirt that costs $2, is not a large increase in cost of goods sold.

Some things, clothing, the cost of production could never be matched in the US, and a tariff as part of the wholesale price is minor. It will still bring in hundreds of billions. Other things, Auto Parts, are machine processes, not labor, and 15% plus transportation costs could make Made in America the better deal.

Trump has said the rich should pay more in taxes. So has Buffet, Gates, and we cannot keep spending a Trillion a year more than tax income. Trump makes $275 million a year, and pays Social Security on the first $115,000. He is eligible to draw the max now. More than half of America will have only Social Security to retire on.

Applying Social Security tax to all income, means testing, it is an insurance program, would shore up funding for those who have to depend on it. As Social Security raises are tied to inflation, an index that does not track the actual cost of living, it has been falling behind. The bottom end is around $750 a month, which is not much for an old person to live on. The recession and non recovery, did screw up a lot of war babies retirement plans.

So they can get food stamps, maybe heating grants, so the real bottom is $1250. Raising Social Security would just reduce other program costs.

All of the Social Security funds were borrowed by Congress. They are part of the National Debt. 45 million war babies are retiring. 20 million have nothing else.

Raising the cutoff from $115,000 to $10,000,000 would help shore up the system, and people making a million a year in retirement, do not need to be getting a check.

More people working, more people making six figures, also shore up the retirement funds.

People on Social Security spend it. That money flows through the economy. It turns into paychecks and taxes paid, local taxes.

A 1% tax on Securities would be huge. Most income is from Securities investments, which are untaxed until sold. 1% front end would bring in enough to reduce personal income rates, corporate rates, and move taxes to the winners, not the producers.

Trump has proposed a tax on Capital, 14.2% one time, would pay off the National Debt. That would make the dollar and all other investments worth more than 14.2% more.

Shocking from an economic standpoint, but the National Debt cannot go up forever, and spread over five years at 3% a year, beats having taxes raised by a third, when we can no longer spend a trillion more than income a year.

Trump is a top down thinker, he is looking at the whole picture.

Social Security can be shored up, raises given, Securities can pay their fair share of total income tax, giving a balanced budget, and paying off the National Debt would save about a Trillion a year in interest.

Putting our economic house in order, supporting our aged and disabled, and having a National Health Care System, is what Government is supposed to do.

Trump is a Nationalist in that America is still the place to be, our failures are better than the rest. We could clean this place up and do something about education, do a WPA CCC public land and National Park upgrade, and shoot for full employment for the poorest among us. Back in the 70s young Black men had jobs, and did not fill prisons. It is cheaper to employ them than to jail them. Black parents are doing their best to raise them, they need our help.

From High School to a couple of years in the Ecology Corp, picking up some Community College credits, making money, having a future, military, government job, more school, a life.

We can Make America Great Again, Trump is a Showman, has a huge ego, elect him President, give him a standing ovation, and he will do his best to bring greater glory to America.

Trump is not alone in his vision of a better future, his thinking overlaps with one other running for the office, and dare I dream, a Trump/Sanders ticket would be great. Elizabeth Warren at Treasury, Carson Surgeon General, Buffet and Gates visiting the White House, a power team would form around Trump.

Screw Party Politics, we need to field the best team we can.

Sure and besides you can completely isolate any social benefits from economic migrants, until they have paid years of tax.

That will be far more effective than a wall and cheaper.

Very unlikely that would hold up in the courts and it would be decried as even more racist and cruel. That is essentially the self-deportation strategy, to make life as difficult as possible for illegals with no provisions given to them so they just decide leave or never come in the first place. Plyer v. Doe dictates that we must provide education to the children of illegal immigrants unless "substantial state interest" was justified which SCOTUS deemed their immigration status not meeting that standard so you can imagine how that could play out. There will probably need to be a constitutional amendment to change the policy of jus soli since our 14th Amendment has been stretched too widely(so long as you don't have a middle eastern name)

There is no solution out there where we don't secure the border, it's a prerequisite for amnesty or mass deportation or any combination of the two. Only New World Order globalist types, anarchists, and Mexican reconquistas could possible support an open southern border. Everyone else suffers.

The border needs to physically secured, it can be done in a multifaceted way coupled with appropriate changes in policy. It'll cost money but it's not impossible or any more expensive that our adventures overseas, there is a tangible benefit and solution to a real problem actually so it makes a lot more sense than these psychos that want to put boots on the ground for a war spanning 3 countries in the Middle East while not really even opposing the terrorist enemy in ISIS because the Israelis, Turks, and Arabs want to murder the Bashar al-Assad like they did Muammar Gaddafi. Eisenhower had a lot of success with his program in the 50s with hardly no resources at all to back it up so a modern attempt with real resources would probably be very effective at repatriating these illegal immigrants who total somewhere between 11 and 30 million. Mexico(as well every other place that these people come from) need to take responsibility for its people or we should take what they owe from them until they do thru tariffs and other financial means. Mexico isn't a security threat to us so why are we letting them bully us around? I think Trump has the right idea about leverage, we have it and we don't use it and that's why the American worker and underclass continuously get screwed over. The Mexican state deserves no respect, Mexican's lives will be better off for us not playing ball with their corrupt leaders anymore.

Let me tell you a story of the death of the high street.

Up and down the country the high street is in serious decline, rents are up and independent business have been pushed out. It is just chain stores mostly.

I'll tell you where the high street is alive and well. Tooting South London. These immigrant areas not only buck the trend the show how it should be done. They keep things competitive. It is positively buzzing no joke. There is room for chains but they don't take over.

They also have some for the best customer bases, not at all fickle, very discerning and informed.

Their grocers sell fruit, veg, spices much better quality and for cheaper than the over packaged and hyped crap you get in the supermarket, and have greater variety.

What you can get for a tenner is unbelievable. Food is at a premium in the UK. They only thing stopping people going to these shops is they are s**t scared to try something new. Those that don't have preconception realise how much of a good thing they are.

They know trade and import better then anyone. Its south Indians, but also Africans, Sri Lankans, Caribbeans, Eastern Europeans and English. One thing I will bet money on is it won't be a negative contribution.

My Butcher is an from 8th generation family English butchers would be out of business it it wasn't for immigrant that have business account with him.

Remember those old style no-nonsense butchers with sawdust on the floor, red an white awnings, chopping block in front for everyone to see, none of the glass palace crap. When was the last time you saw one of those. For me it was in the 80s, until I found this guy.

His apprentice is Danish I believe. Neither sons nor English are interested working for him. There is some interest in learning butchery however not to this level or with an independent that is not a glass palace. They want their cake an eat it too.

A lot of negative thing have been said about eastern European immigration, especially Polish. However Polish have some of the best businesses around. I'd bet money they net contribution since 2004 has been positive.

For one they helped make it possible from many people to develop their property when many wouldn't have been able to afford it. Also the reputation as cowbows isn't really warranted. There are just as many English cowboys, and Polish have some seriously talented people.

There is a TV show called cowboy builders which is a private investigation show, and much of the time they are chasing English business, not immigrant businesses.

Nice story and well written.

In the US, Trump gets support, because people think immigrants "take their jobs", and "lower their pay".

Isn't that the same problem you have with a physical border? Why be defeatist?

Isn't it a valid argument that taxpayers and citizens should benefit first? Nothing racist about that. It is practical.



How do you know this? I There are there are others like classical liberals that would not close all the borders. Or economist, would can estimate the downside of the red tape as a result of such measures. You are assuming that immigration is all negative, it isn't.

Globalisation wise If you are talking about the type that concludes with governments. They don't care about immigration rules. They are not dealing on that level. They whole point is these multi-nationals can play countries off each-other. They love protectionism, they are biggest benefactor of it.

Besides in many sectors immigration is fast becoming irrelevant. People don't need to immigrate to compete with me. It is up to me to offer something. All good as far as I'm concerned. Bring it on.

What sector are you in? Is it protected by immigration controls?

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Yes it is usually a case not being able to make their mind up whether their jobs are being taken, or these immigrants aren't working and signing on.

There reality is immigrant don't just take jobs the create new markets too. It is simple economics.

If trade is genuinely encouraged, and there is genuine competition it has a stabilizing effect becuase there is insulation through economic diversity.

However there is load of protectionism, which isn't seen as such. From company law, the unreformed patent system, etc.

I'm a competitionist, and there is tendency to try an reach for special rights and privilege to avoid competition. These are same people who ask for protectionism to be reduced when it doesn't suit them.

A physically secured border has broad support crossing party lines, it has been talked about and promised literally for generations in this country. If a Republican is elected president is elected then I would say the likelihood of it happening would be very high considering the GOP control of the House and Senate. Boehner and McConnell's days as leaders are number, conservative party rebels are massing at their gates and it is only a matter of time. Boehner may get disposed of very soon, he'd be dependent on Democrats to save his Speakership. Borders make sense whereas depriving children of healthcare and education doesn't, I think you are being a bit disingenious advocating for that. If you say there is no problem at all then there is no further discussion needed.

Lets get this straight all of a sudden you are concerned for immigrants welfare, yet you prefer they stay in their country so you don't have to worry about it?

It is in US interests to encourage trade and development in a peaceful way, that will address these issues.

Sticking plasters like a wall won't. By all means build a wall, wait and see.

Trump makes a good clown and that's about it, same with the rest of the conservatives in the States.

mebbe the PTB are using him as a kind of "bad cop" to whatever "good cop" eventually comes along.

We have several degrees of border.

Show some ID, you can come over and shop, visit family, within fifty miles of the border and several days.

Longer stays and further in take a Visa. Going to school is considered a reason to be here.

Mexican children along the border often go to Texas schools.

Just about anyone accepted to a University can stay for four or five years.

Working here takes another visa. H-1B is an exception, allowed in for one job only, lose job, leave.

We do not know how many we have, 11 to 30 million, we do know $22 Billion is sent back to Mexico through means we monitor. Records of Taxes, Social Security, get less informative. We have no way of knowing if the money came from selling drugs or honest work.

We do know some honest work is being done, crops get harvested, fruit gets picked. These people used to get Guest Worker Visas. We need them, we should be treating them better.

Others, masons, painters, landscapers, carpenters, are illegal, and seem like they should be paying taxes. Americans want those jobs too, and they have to pay taxes and Social Security, Unemployment. The current system is not fair to our own people.

Then we do have the Gangs, Cartels, the wanted by the Mexican Police, and worse. 31% of our prison inmates.

The social and economic cost is high, then we deport them.

Between the damage from their crimes, the cost of Law Enforcement, Courts, Prison, then Deported, they cost $30 to $100 thousand per year, for the time they are here.

This is the group that we deport 2,000,000 a year. There must be over 10,000,000.

This is the group that a wall would help keep out. These are the ones that have a cost in lives, blood, and money.

It is cheaper to build a wall than to pay for jail. Costs avoided add up. We have face recognition software, they cannot enter through normal routes.

Some we need, we should welcome them and give them tax breaks. Picking our crops for $3 to $5 an hour, they have done their part.

Some maybe, construction work where Americans have to pay Taxes, Social Security, Unemployment, everybody should pay the same.

This group is taking a free ride on our system, American Citizens are losing out on jobs, income, and the government on taxes, Social Security, Unemployment.

They may be honest workers, it is understandable, in Mexico they make $5 a day, here $5 an hour. It still messes up the lives of American workers.

Trump has said that a lot of these illegals, farm workers, should be made legal Guest Workers. For them we should have a better deal, no crossing the Arizona desert. A farm worker drivers license, legal status over wages and crimes. Treat them like welcome and protected friends.

Construction workers I still have questions and problems.

Crime is 31% of prison inmates, almost all deportations, very expensive, and not the kind of people you can make an agreement with. Build a wall, face recognition scans at all ports of entry, at least make it very hard to try to get in, with maybe two years hard labor for trying.

One option is build a wall ten miles in from the border, and have a Border Zone where Americans can build factories, and Mexicans can work. We have Maquiladoras in Mexico, with less regulation. Just moving the factories a few miles north, makes them American for taxes, and tax free Mexican labor in the international economic zone.

It would be a good job for Mexican construction workers. It would be a better relation with our southern neighbor.

I think Donald Trump is a good man at making deals. Things could be better than they are.