Telling others I like shariah?

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The temptation is to focus just on sentencing becuase that is what is reported, whist this isn't pretty, the real flaw of sharia is the laws and the process. Basically, top to bottom it is a terrible justice system not fit for the modern world.

Laws wise we have had comparable ones that were eliminated in recent history, and maybe some that still are questionable. However with secular justice the process is centuries ahead even with its problems.

See with sharia they is some legitimacy to adding refinements that are comparable wit the theology, however this is limited and tagged on as in it essence a very primitive justice system such a structure is mandated by the theology.

I do have problems with secular justice being properly followed and we should call that out when we see it. However Sharia is a problem when properly followed.

That sort of thing isn't so far removed from America. Jerry Lee Lewis' musical career ended up down the toilet for years after he had married a twelve or thirteen year old girl. In Louisiana and elsewhere in the deep south where Lewis was from, child marriages were hardly unheard of, though the rest of America was rightfully horrified.

Because just because Muhammad did it, doesn't mean we're supposed to blindly imitate him in everything.... If Muhammad had lived in the Arctic, does that mean that all Muslims, even those living in desert regions, are supposed to wear heavy coats?? When we follow the sunnah of the Prophet Muhammad, we only do things which are universal.... if times change, or we live in a different part of the world, then we can adjust it to current times or present cultural norms..... you'll find that sunnah deals primarily with things like temperament and food etiquette, not cultural norms specific to a time and place..... most Muslims know not to marry off their 9 year olds... even in saudi arabia, the minimum age of marriage is 17.

You didn't say why you want such a repressive system by todays standards (shariah law) to be implemented.

Fine, I'll tell you... shariah has a means of eliminating crime and social ills, by getting rid of the root of the problem, such as eliminating sexual immorality by means of gender segregation, elimination of crime by means of harsh penalties but at the same time paying zakat for charity and not punishing those who steal to feed themselves and/or their families... etc.

Shariah also allows for a good economic system, such as the banning of usury and interest, the payment of zakat, the banning of the taxing of trade, etc. it also eliminates social ills by banning alcohol, etc.

howevr, banning alcohol in a society which already consumes it would not work, as shown by 1920s america..... however, educating people and making da'wah would help

interest in finance is bad because only the borrower shares in the risk... whereas in islam we have something called profit-and-loss sharing.... if the borrower can't pay it back because they dont make a profit, then the lender doesnt make a profit... the lender has to be extra careful before giving a loan, by looking at their business plan, etc.

Why is no one responding? has everyone give up the debate?

It eliminates freedom, if that's what you mean.

Eventually, as you get older and are less impressionable, you'll realise that the answers to the world's problems aren't as simple as segregating genders, banning alcohol or some weird economic system without taxes.

Look at the world today, the best societies in terms of crime rates are actually secular societies in which most people are non religious. People in these societies tend to be more highly educated too. For instance, the Nordic countries, such as Sweden.

Religion has a way of skewing people's perception, radicalizing those who are the most vulnerable and making victims of the innocent. You should be careful where you tread. I don't mean to sound harsh, I just think you're misguided.

I'm vehemently opposed to religion (any religion) mixing with politics and law-making. Sharia law has no place in this world and I pity the Muslims who have been inflicted with and subjugated by such a system.

Who said Islam is against taxation? It is against SALES TAX ("taxing trade") Other taxes like zakat, tax on agriculture, income tax, jizyah are all permissible

and people in shariah countries are actually happier than people in the United States because they have a more close-knit society that does not have to deal with (as much) suicide, school shootings, millions of accidental pregnancies, the poor being left to fend for themselves, women being treated as sex objects and raped on dates, alcoholism, drug addiction, crime, etc. The saudis and those in the UAE, according to psychologists, are among the happiest people in the world... Turks and Americans are among the least happy...

oh, and....
homelessness, sex addiction, incest, beastiality, paranoid school administration with zero tolerance policies because of NON STOP VIOLENCE, etc.

And what about you? Are you happy? What do you believe you will get, personally?

Be part of a close-knit community? Be happier? Feel safer?

well.... come to think of it... I'm so used to living in an American society, I think living in a sharia society would be a HUGE culture shock.... but what I plan to get out of it is halal meat (which is technically a requirement in Islam, it's kinda like kosher), a more meaningful direction in life, better cultural mentality (one that isnt full of people committing suicide with pills because they hate life, or kids bringing guns to school, or at least not as much), and a sense of pride in that my place in the afterlife is assured-since I did not get tempted to fall into sin since many of the sinful things were forbidden anyway- and a healthier psyche

oh, and yes feel safer... in saudi arabia, even if you leave large slabs of gold in an unlocked car with the windows open and the car unattended, no one will dare steal it for fear of punishment (the chopping off of a hand).