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19 Dec 2015, 2:55 am

I fear making America great again is a matter of making Germany great again under the nazis - that is, not returning the country back to what it had been, but to some new, terrible vision.


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19 Dec 2015, 3:14 am

Except there won't be a greater power to thwart that goal.


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19 Dec 2015, 11:49 am

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Trump is appealing to the masses in the GOP that support those policies, "the base" that has so long voted against their interests. The elites have long detested this segment of the population and now the traditional "respected intellectuals who guide public opinion" are no longer so popular.


As a general rule, it's good to listen to smart/educated/trained people and let them take care of important stuff...

Let me tell you a story:

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So, every Sunday afternoon uncle Donald (NOT TRUMP!) would drive his three nephews to the ice cream parlor. While the nephews LOVED getting ice cream, they hated the drive to the parlor. Uncle Donald drove too slow and wasted time at the service station, pumping gas and inflating tires to EXACTLY 34psi as prescribed in his car’s owner’s manual.

One Sunday morning Huey wakes his brothers. “Hey guys, have I told you how smart and fabulous you are?”

“Why no, you haven’t,” reply Dewy and Louie.

“Well, I think you guys are unbelievably fantastic, and you both deserve to get to the ice cream parlor much faster!” Huey ejaculates.

“You know, uncle Donald is a sweet guy, no really, I love him… but he is such a loser when it comes to driving. BUT, you know what? I AM AN EXCELLENT DRIVER, and if you let me drive, we’ll get there so much faster and the ice cream will taste so much better! As a matter of fact, they’ll give us all the ice cream we want and Mexico will pay for it!”

With a puzzled look on his face Louie says, “Yeah, but how… UUHHGG!” and falls to the floor after Dewy whacks him in the nuts and yells, “THAT’S A GREAT IDEA!”

That very afternoon the boys wait for their uncle in the back of his car.

“Wow! You boys must really be hungry for ice cream,” quacks Donald, with a noticeable speech impediment.

Without a word, Huey puts a pillowcase over this uncle’s head and Dewy beats him savagely with a sock full of pennies as Louie, curled into a fetal position, weeps silently.

Uncle Donald finally stops moving as ghastly crimson flowers bloom on the white pillowcase. “My arm’s tired,” complains Dewy.
“Put him in the trunk,” says Huey as he pushes his uncle out the open door and slides into the driver’s seat. “Let’s roll.”

The boys roar out of the drive amid a cloud of blue smoke and the smell of burnt rubber. Huey cackles maniacally as he sideswipes several cars and speeds past the gas station. About a mile from the ice cream parlor, Huey runs through a traffic light and hits an old lady with a basket of kittens as the car runs out of gas and blows a tire.

Out of control, the car careens into a honey wagon that’s just serviced the porta-potties at the annual chili cook off. The boys feel a strange burning sensation as they are drenched in raw sewage. The burning sensation intensifies as the honey wagon’s fuel tanks ignite and both vehicles are engulfed. The boys writhe in agony as the flames slowly consume them and they finally die after several minutes that seem like years of hellish torment.

The End.



See what I mean?


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19 Dec 2015, 1:29 pm

I like new things.

The worst is doing the same things over and over and expecting a different outcome.

NAFTA and deregulation I did not like, because it did not address the reasons we had Trade Restrictions and Regulations of Finance.

In some ways it was great, about two billion people were lifted out of poverty. China has become a modern state.

In other ways not so great, for the fifty million Americans who sank into poverty. Wall Street did great, Main Street got Walmart taking their business.

If we are going to fund government on income and sales tax, we need income to buy things.

Our rising National Debt is the cost of what we lost in trade.

We are the big retail market, and we can charge for access to that market.

Up till 1913, almost all government income came from Tariffs.

As for producing a new future horror, we seem to do that no matter what we do.

Companies that make the Fortune 500 are mostly gone in a decade. It takes a continuing supply of new ideas to maintain the economy. NAFTA sent those new ideas off shore.

Banks that were allowed to have no Capital, and put customer funds at risk at a 40 to 1 leverage, did just that. Clinton and Congress made it legal.

Abolishing the Tax Code, replacing it with lower brackets with very few deductions, will bring in the same income, and end on paper tax dodges. Most of that is done by Corporations and the very rich. Many pay no tax but get most of the income.

Government is not a Business. It has become an Industry of bribes and payoffs. We all know it is corrupt.

The role of government is to see to the Health, Education, Welfare, of The People, and to provide for the common defense. They also have a role in The Regulation of Commerce.

We have more Military than the rest of the world combined, but we lag far behind the other industrial countries in National Health Care, Education, and Social Welfare. That is the foundation upon which our future is built.

"Where there is no vision, the people perish."



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19 Dec 2015, 1:54 pm

GoonSquad wrote:
Jacoby wrote:

Trump is appealing to the masses in the GOP that support those policies, "the base" that has so long voted against their interests. The elites have long detested this segment of the population and now the traditional "respected intellectuals who guide public opinion" are no longer so popular.


As a general rule, it's good to listen to smart/educated/trained people and let them take care of important stuff...

Let me tell you a story:

Quote:
So, every Sunday afternoon uncle Donald (NOT TRUMP!) would drive his three nephews to the ice cream parlor. While the nephews LOVED getting ice cream, they hated the drive to the parlor. Uncle Donald drove too slow and wasted time at the service station, pumping gas and inflating tires to EXACTLY 34psi as prescribed in his car’s owner’s manual.

One Sunday morning Huey wakes his brothers. “Hey guys, have I told you how smart and fabulous you are?”

“Why no, you haven’t,” reply Dewy and Louie.

“Well, I think you guys are unbelievably fantastic, and you both deserve to get to the ice cream parlor much faster!” Huey ejaculates.

“You know, uncle Donald is a sweet guy, no really, I love him… but he is such a loser when it comes to driving. BUT, you know what? I AM AN EXCELLENT DRIVER, and if you let me drive, we’ll get there so much faster and the ice cream will taste so much better! As a matter of fact, they’ll give us all the ice cream we want and Mexico will pay for it!”

With a puzzled look on his face Louie says, “Yeah, but how… UUHHGG!” and falls to the floor after Dewy whacks him in the nuts and yells, “THAT’S A GREAT IDEA!”

That very afternoon the boys wait for their uncle in the back of his car.

“Wow! You boys must really be hungry for ice cream,” quacks Donald, with a noticeable speech impediment.

Without a word, Huey puts a pillowcase over this uncle’s head and Dewy beats him savagely with a sock full of pennies as Louie, curled into a fetal position, weeps silently.

Uncle Donald finally stops moving as ghastly crimson flowers bloom on the white pillowcase. “My arm’s tired,” complains Dewy.
“Put him in the trunk,” says Huey as he pushes his uncle out the open door and slides into the driver’s seat. “Let’s roll.”

The boys roar out of the drive amid a cloud of blue smoke and the smell of burnt rubber. Huey cackles maniacally as he sideswipes several cars and speeds past the gas station. About a mile from the ice cream parlor, Huey runs through a traffic light and hits an old lady with a basket of kittens as the car runs out of gas and blows a tire.

Out of control, the car careens into a honey wagon that’s just serviced the porta-potties at the annual chili cook off. The boys feel a strange burning sensation as they are drenched in raw sewage. The burning sensation intensifies as the honey wagon’s fuel tanks ignite and both vehicles are engulfed. The boys writhe in agony as the flames slowly consume them and they finally die after several minutes that seem like years of hellish torment.

The End.



See what I mean?


completely lost :oops:



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19 Dec 2015, 4:33 pm

^^^ you can think of uncle Donald as the intellectual/technocrat/traditional politician. The nephews are the public and Huey is the demagogue.

Uncle Donald is really just doing EVERYTHING necessary to get the car (the country) safely to the ice cream parlor (prosperity). HOWEVER Huey doesn't understand this (because he's an uneducated a**hole) and thinks he knows a better way.

He convinces his brothers of this and he siezes power. And, because of Huey's total lack of understanding, education and skill, he wrecks the car (the country) and kills everyone.

The end.

To the topic directly, I can certainly understand why an Austrian economist wouldn't like intellectuals :roll: , but what makes you think someone who doesn't understand how government/society/economies work would make a good leader?


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19 Dec 2015, 5:55 pm

GoonSquad wrote:
^^^ you can think of uncle Donald as the intellectual/technocrat/traditional politician. The nephews are the public and Huey is the demagogue.

Uncle Donald is really just doing EVERYTHING necessary to get the car (the country) safely to the ice cream parlor (prosperity). HOWEVER Huey doesn't understand this (because he's an uneducated as*hole) and thinks he knows a better way.

He convinces his brothers of this and he siezes power. And, because of Huey's total lack of understanding, education and skill, he wrecks the car (the country) and kills everyone.

The end.

To the topic directly, I can certainly understand why an Austrian economist wouldn't like intellectuals :roll: , but what makes you think someone who doesn't understand how government/society/economies work would make a good leader?


You are more content with the status quo and have more respect for these so called intellectuals than I, people like Bill Kristol and Charles Krauthammer don't deserve the title.

You have to look at what the alternatives are, If we're heading off the cliff anyway then at least I think Trump has some upside. It's almost to much to resist being called the "chaos candidate" :lol: , Jeb is such a loser.



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19 Dec 2015, 8:38 pm

GoonSquad wrote:
^^^ you can think of uncle Donald as the intellectual/technocrat/traditional politician. The nephews are the public and Huey is the demagogue.

Uncle Donald is really just doing EVERYTHING necessary to get the car (the country) safely to the ice cream parlor (prosperity). HOWEVER Huey doesn't understand this (because he's an uneducated as*hole) and thinks he knows a better way.

He convinces his brothers of this and he siezes power. And, because of Huey's total lack of understanding, education and skill, he wrecks the car (the country) and kills everyone.

The end.

To the topic directly, I can certainly understand why an Austrian economist wouldn't like intellectuals :roll: , but what makes you think someone who doesn't understand how government/society/economies work would make a good leader?


I actually got it; and the use of Donald Duck and his nephews to illustrate the point had me laughing.


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04 Oct 2016, 9:42 am

Think this deserves a bump, this essay is something I think will help people understand where I am coming from in regards to my feelings toward Trump.



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04 Oct 2016, 1:25 pm

That essay wasn't even written a decade after Hitler and Mussolini.



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04 Oct 2016, 3:16 pm

From the OP article:

"All demagogues are ideological nonconformists and therefore are bound to be emotional about the general and respectable rejection of what they consider to be vital truth"

Is this why Trump lies so much? :roll:

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Trump is much more shameless as a trafficker in untruth. He seems willing to say whatever he deems necessary to win support at the moment, and he tries to get people to accept his statements through the sheer vehemence of his rhetoric. When he says, falsely, that “there’s no real assimilation” among “second- and third-generation” Muslims in the United States, it clearly doesn’t matter to Trump whether he’s right; what matters is that he wants us to believe he’s right. Many of his misstatements, taken individually, may be fairly innocent or at least commonplace, but the brazenness and frequency of the falsehoods, and their evident expedience, are what set Trump apart. Moreover, his typical response to being called out is to double down on a falsehood—like denying that he backed the 2003 Iraq invasion and the 2011 Libya intervention—or to pretend he never uttered it, showing an egregious unconcern or contempt for truth that taxes even the generous standards of political discourse.


http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/ ... sts-214024


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