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20 Dec 2015, 12:01 am

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And are you seriously trying to claim that lesbians don't experience homophobia and discrimination and harassment like gay men do? Seriously?



What I'm pointing out is that the vast majority of anti-gay hate crimes have targeted MEN and not women. And there is double standard about homosexuality in American culture: It's okay for women to show affection to anyone including other women, but men are not supposed to show affection to other men. That's why "phag" is used as an insult on the internet far more than "dyke".



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20 Dec 2015, 1:46 am

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Well, I hate it when people conflate wanting equality for women (which has not been achieved anywhere on this planet) with a repressive regime that started the bloodiest war in human history and committed genocide on a massive scale.


Unfortunately, you will see a good amount of exactly that around these parts. Didn't you know that all women have it out for autistic men--even autistic women! Because misandry, or something.


Some people on the spectrum have trouble with sarcasm. I don't, and right now I wish I had some way to send a high five through the internet.


:wtg: <<I think that is the closest you can get with the emojis on this forum.



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20 Dec 2015, 4:33 am

Feminazi is kind of dated, I think the current term is Social Justice Warrior, and as an added bonus, the term applies to overzealous identity politics peddlers of various stripes, freeing up valuable memory space.


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20 Dec 2015, 5:02 am

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Ick, feminazis I certainly don't care much for them either.

Also as a side note note sure exactly why this got moved....feminazis piss off other women to, so I don't think its entirely out of place in the womens discussion section, but just my personal opinion I don't decide the proper place for threads.


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Also given that the far & away #1 complaint about aspies in general is that we understand nothing about women, one would expect to see a little more equanimity around here.


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20 Dec 2015, 7:16 am

When it comes to feminists, I no longer have hatred or issues for them, but as for Femnazis I hate them because they are sexist bigots and not for equality and out to ruin the feminist agenda! It does not make me a misogynist for me hating femnazis especially when femnazis are misandrists! I cant stand them and I hate them, but not feminists! I have come to my senses and not hate the feminist movement but focus more hate on the femnazis instead because they are monsters and hate men and promote sexism and are against equality for both sexes! I will let my rage go free and out of control and focus it all out on them and destroy them! They are garbage and subhuman trash they have no souls they are devils they hate harmony! Femnazis are the bane of the feminist movement and I see this and now ally myself with the feminist movement, they are a hinderance to it all and give feminism a bad name, I see the light They are not for gender equality but against it and are destroying the feminist cause and dragging its name through the mud and creating more enemies from both men and women alike! Rad fems aka femnazis are not feminist they are the opposite and in wa way they are giving more strength to the so called patriarchy! They are destroying the cause and are sexist and misandrists, they are no different than misogynists! They say all men are scum but in reality they are all scum! All Femnazis are scum not feminist or men just Femanizis, they are scum and worthless sexist useless bigoted sacks of s**t! If feminists wont call them out then I will call them out, I am their watchdog and will reveal them and their agenda and separate their sexists way from the feminist movement!


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20 Dec 2015, 12:02 pm

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Feminists are a group of individuals that don't agree with each other on everything.

That's exactly right . Feminism as a whole contains differing currents . I think that those whom the original poster refers to as "feminazis" are extreme cultural feminists. And believe you me , we other feminists tend to resent them as much as anyone does . For what it's worth , my own school of feminist thought is socialist feminism.



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20 Dec 2015, 1:00 pm

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Feminists are a group of individuals that don't agree with each other on everything.

That's exactly right . Feminism as a whole contains differing currents . I think that those whom the original poster refers to as "feminazis" are extreme cultural feminists. And believe you me , we other feminists tend to resent them as much as anyone does . For what it's worth , my own school of feminist thought is socialist feminism.



And that's the whole point: Feminists these days are up in arms and at each others throats about what the creed of this movement is supposed to be.

FACE IT: Radical ideology is not about fairness, it's not about unifying people or ending oppression, it's all about jockeying for status. I've always hated fellow liberals for using their politics as a social climbing strategy and I've observed this for the last 20 years here in the PacNW of all places.



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20 Dec 2015, 4:04 pm

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Well, I hate it when people conflate wanting equality for women (which has not been achieved anywhere on this planet) with a repressive regime that started the bloodiest war in human history and committed genocide on a massive scale.

ITA



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20 Dec 2015, 9:38 pm

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Feminazi is kind of dated, I think the current term is Social Justice Warrior, and as an added bonus, the term applies to overzealous identity politics peddlers of various stripes, freeing up valuable memory space.



"Social Justice Warrior" is a term that I've heard PC progressive people use to call themselves. Feminazi is from Rush Limbaugh circa 1992 and while it might be dated and tongue-in-cheek it's nonetheless accurate when it comes to modern ultrafeminists.



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21 Dec 2015, 3:34 am

The radfems are a hate group and totally against the strive for gender equality due to the fact they are sexist, and hateful bigots!


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21 Dec 2015, 3:39 am

"feminazis" are keyboard warriors that try to gain attention and the moral high ground. People like OP, and to a degree myself, are doing the same thing. Just ignore them. They're basically trolls. Sometimes trolls trolling trolls. Put them out of your mind.



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21 Dec 2015, 5:08 am

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Well, I hate it when people conflate wanting equality for women (which has not been achieved anywhere on this planet) with a repressive regime that started the bloodiest war in human history and committed genocide on a massive scale.


I never use the term "Feminazi", however I think what some people are referring to is not people who want equality, or maybe those that advocate achieving equality through deliberate inequality and enforced regime.

I do take you point that the label of fascism is overplayed. On the other hand what some people are referring to is not proponents of equality but those that seek to enforce an ideology. In that respect it has something in common. On the other hand, sometimes it is used lazily as a derogative for progressives or regressive.

I think most people get frustrated when draconian policy is applied. Political correct ideology has something in common with the new think of Mussolini's Italy in that way that it determines how an individual is supposed to live their life. In the case of Italy it was Futurism, an enforced modernist movement which was fascist in nature. PC ideology has some of the very same rhetoric attached, on the extreme end of the feminist movement there are certainly similarities on how they want people to live their lives in an enforced way. I find it ironic that they are so obsessed with labels ans identity, when originally women's liberation was about fighting to break these down. I think any conference where people are made to introduce themselves as "I'm a [gender identity] [race] [biological sex] who is [sexuality] and [minority|majority status] who has [some|a lot|no] privilege." then we really are taking a step backwards. You think I'm exaggerating, I wish I was.

Fascism in reality is a extreme form of formalised nationalism. In Mussolini's model he emphasized collusion, between cooperate entities and government. So really other the being draconian, popularist and using similar approaches to propaganda ideologically it has nothing to do with the extreme end of the feminist movement.



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21 Dec 2015, 5:37 am

NewFuturamaSucks wrote:
"feminazis" are keyboard warriors that try to gain attention and the moral high ground. People like OP, and to a degree myself, are doing the same thing. Just ignore them. They're basically trolls. Sometimes trolls trolling trolls. Put them out of your mind.


I think you are bit naive. They are more than keyboard warriors, in fact some of them really aren't internet personalities this is not the only front line.

They are academics and/or social activist in universities. They are shaping education, social policy and enforcing an identity politics on the basis that the mean justifies the end, and end which is soemthign different from equality anyway.

It has shaped legislation a bit, so you can't simply ignore the problem. We have legislation that had to be repealed due to being unconstitutional and sexist such relating to male being near children's play areas for example. There is no innocence until proven guilty, the law wasn't applied equally or fairly. There are other examples like that where

These people simply don't understand the very principles of a democracy, yet it is quite an infectious popularity ideology.

I do agree the people like the OP need a more nuanced argument and priorities the main issues better.

I was also quite naive about it, and didn't realise how influential this movement was. I knew that in the 80s one of these radical groups infiltrated the Greater London Council. This was a radical group that was in part segregationist. For me that was just a historical fascination, until it picked up what was going on in American universities, and European ones too.

Also this has little to do with the whole "liberals vs. Contards" nonsense in the US. Few outside of the US cared about these rivalries, they just accept that it is porpoised situation. I got a tacit admission from someone that he was reluctant to critisise radical feminism, becuase it might play into the hands of his political rivals. Well I'm sorry, if something stinks you should point it out. It doesn't matter what background it comes from. Politic is not a about picking you favourite sports team, or it shouldn't be.



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21 Dec 2015, 3:05 pm

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And are you seriously trying to claim that lesbians don't experience homophobia and discrimination and harassment like gay men do? Seriously?



What I'm pointing out is that the vast majority of anti-gay hate crimes have targeted MEN and not women. And there is double standard about homosexuality in American culture: It's okay for women to show affection to anyone including other women, but men are not supposed to show affection to other men. That's why "phag" is used as an insult on the internet far more than "dyke".


Sort of like when guys might say its 'hot' for lesbians to make out, but are the first to criticize gay males for doing intimate things together. Like its hot when female gays do it, but nasty when male gays do it. Of course it would be ridiculous to claim homosexual women do not also face assault and discrimination but sometimes it does seem more 'accepted' when women are homosexual than when males are by people who generally disapprove of homosexuality.


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21 Dec 2015, 9:44 pm

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I never use the term "Feminazi", however I think what some people are referring to is not people who want equality, or maybe those that advocate achieving equality through deliberate inequality and enforced regime.


What you're referring to is a bogeyman (or bogeywoman, if we want to get cute). People who think that way are such a tiny part of "feminism" that they aren't really even worth speaking about. If you got a thousand feminists into a room, you'd be lucky to find one person who "advocate[s] achieving equality through deliberate inequality and enforced regime."

What people are calling "feminazis" here are more or less imaginary.


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