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What is your opinion of Hillary Clinton?
Very Favorable 4%  4%  [ 1 ]
Favorable 14%  14%  [ 4 ]
Neutral/No Opinion/Don't Know 4%  4%  [ 1 ]
Unfavorable 29%  29%  [ 8 ]
Very Unfavorable 50%  50%  [ 14 ]
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30 Dec 2015, 4:29 pm

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A possible positive thing about a Hillary presidency would be having all those fudementalist Muslim leaders like the Saudi Royal family sh*****g their pants because they have to meet with a women head of state, especially a women with her personality.


I'd take King Abdullah over ANY of the candidates from either party or Bernie any day of the week. For all the Wahhabi bluster he's a brilliant diplomat who legitimately cares about stability.


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30 Dec 2015, 4:35 pm

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No, he is accused of straight up violent rape. Two of his victims, Juanita Broaddrick and Elizabeth Ward Gracen both were severely bitten in the lip during the attack which seems to be Bill's MO. Bill Cosby's victims hid from public so long, many of these women were high profile women in the world of fashion and entertainment who feared his power but Bubba typically targeted a more marginalized subset of women and used the power of the state to cover up his crimes. How many victims of Bill haven't come forward yet? You don't think the most powerful man in the world couldn't give good reason for his victims not to come forward? I don't think rape is the worst thing they are guilty of either fwiw...

Accusations and bluster.



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30 Dec 2015, 4:46 pm

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No, he is accused of straight up violent rape. Two of his victims, Juanita Broaddrick and Elizabeth Ward Gracen both were severely bitten in the lip during the attack which seems to be Bill's MO. Bill Cosby's victims hid from public so long, many of these women were high profile women in the world of fashion and entertainment who feared his power but Bubba typically targeted a more marginalized subset of women and used the power of the state to cover up his crimes. How many victims of Bill haven't come forward yet? You don't think the most powerful man in the world couldn't give good reason for his victims not to come forward? I don't think rape is the worst thing they are guilty of either fwiw...

Accusations and bluster.


'But Hillary herself said that we should believe women when they come forward with accusations of sexual assault, she can't have it both ways.



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30 Dec 2015, 4:48 pm

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No, he is accused of straight up violent rape. Two of his victims, Juanita Broaddrick and Elizabeth Ward Gracen both were severely bitten in the lip during the attack which seems to be Bill's MO. Bill Cosby's victims hid from public so long, many of these women were high profile women in the world of fashion and entertainment who feared his power but Bubba typically targeted a more marginalized subset of women and used the power of the state to cover up his crimes. How many victims of Bill haven't come forward yet? You don't think the most powerful man in the world couldn't give good reason for his victims not to come forward? I don't think rape is the worst thing they are guilty of either fwiw...

Accusations and bluster.


'But Hillary herself said that we should believe women when they come forward with accusations of sexual assault, she can't have it both ways.


Of course they should come forward. Then if there is evidence, charges will be filed.



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30 Dec 2015, 5:00 pm

androbot01 wrote:
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No, he is accused of straight up violent rape. Two of his victims, Juanita Broaddrick and Elizabeth Ward Gracen both were severely bitten in the lip during the attack which seems to be Bill's MO. Bill Cosby's victims hid from public so long, many of these women were high profile women in the world of fashion and entertainment who feared his power but Bubba typically targeted a more marginalized subset of women and used the power of the state to cover up his crimes. How many victims of Bill haven't come forward yet? You don't think the most powerful man in the world couldn't give good reason for his victims not to come forward? I don't think rape is the worst thing they are guilty of either fwiw...

Accusations and bluster.


'But Hillary herself said that we should believe women when they come forward with accusations of sexual assault, she can't have it both ways.


Of course they should come forward. Then if there is evidence, charges will be filed.


Well I suppose you don't subscribe to the current brand of feminism but this is not how they feel on the subject with everybody not named Bill Clinton. You believe Bill Cosby is a rapist which I agree but there is also very little evidence against him, it's just the shear number of accusations. Like I said before, I tend to think where there is smoke there is fire so 1 accusation could be fake but 2? Starting to get unlikely. 3 or more? Yea right it's bogus!

Not one person ever made these accusations against Obama, not one person ever made these accusations against Dubya, Bill is all alone in his class. JFK may of been a philanderer but he wasn't a sexual predator as far I know. Hillary ran interference for him the entire time, the reason so many of these women did not come forward is because of threats and intimidation some directly from Hillary Clinton. They know what they did and Bill knows what he is, it is disgusting that he walks free and was ever president of the United States. It's not just the rape, it's everything! These people are criminals to their bones, owned by the powers of Wall Street who have them by the balls because of all the dirt there is out there on them. Their continued political existence is allowed, they could take it all away in hours if they wanted too.



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30 Dec 2015, 5:11 pm

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...Not one person ever made these accusations against Obama, not one person ever made these accusations against Dubya, Bill is all alone in his class. JFK may of been a philanderer but he wasn't a sexual predator as far I know. ...

I suspect JFK did get up to a bit of mischief.



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30 Dec 2015, 5:15 pm

Yep....quite a bit of mischief.

Similar to Clinton, it seems to me.



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31 Dec 2015, 6:35 am

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A possible positive thing about a Hillary presidency would be having all those fudementalist Muslim leaders like the Saudi Royal family sh*****g thier pants because they have to meet with a women head of state, especially a women with her personality.


What about Benazir Bhutto?


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31 Dec 2015, 9:25 am

Hillary did visit the Saudis, they edited her out of the footage they ran on TV.

Considering the world situation, her involvement in the Middle East, Trump lacks all that baggage.

I have an opinion, I am against starting WWIII with Russia.

I am against destabilizing and radicalizing the borders of Europe. They started the last two wars.

What are we doing challenging China? Trump is right that we hold the power of trade with them.

We can dial down their economy. We are more a customer than supplier.

Trade deals were great, we lifted several billion people out of poverty. We could do that because we had an economy, and a lot less debt.

Cheap labor is not China any more, factories are going to Southeast Asia. China is developing a domestic market, and robotics are coming soon. Those are jobs we can bring home, for all of the make it cheap in China, retail prices here are not cheap.

We can make conditions more favorable to domestic business, and redevelop our domestic manufacturing.

Robotics will move us into a post labor economy. More goods produced at lower costs, less jobs, we will have to pay people to not work. For that, we need the productive means here.

We are taking steps to reduce the work week for the wrong reasons. Low pay and short hours do not work. A four day work week, higher wages, and a higher demand for labor, such as getting rid of illegals, curbing immigration, universal medical, and incentives for creating more work.

I do not think we have done it all, new fields will develop. The web is an endless and cheap Media Platform.

I have been making a study of animation, I found a company that produces a good product, with software I have, and has a step by step how to start a company like ours on Utube. They had twenty-five people turn out several hours of animation over two years and seem to be making money at it, and having fun.

There is as much room in this market as there ever was for books. Entertainment, Education, Marketing, are going to use a lot of animation. We do have several new economies to develop. 5% more jobs and we have a labor shortage.

The old numbers, factory workers, no longer apply, we can create employment without the factory.

We have many potential futures, we have a post industrial future with an old style industrial factory government.

They are GM, outdated plants and products, over staffed, way too much debt, and unfunded pension liabilities.

We need a team of businessmen to restructure this economy, with some tax credits for startup hiring.

Trump is for no tax on $25,000, good, now how about an exemption on startup income where they hire people. Say $250,000 if I employ five. I was offered $5,000 tax credit if I hired a felon a while back.

Taxing the business is taxing the money available to pay employees, then they tax the employees.

It seems the wrong way to go about creating jobs and higher pay.

Business that only exists because of being tax exempt, costs the government nothing. Employees exempt for $25,000 costs nothing, a next to no paperwork deal, and a lot of money gets spent within the economy.

The tax cut that makes the most sense is at the bottom, the startup, that then has the incentive to develop income.

Democrats think I have to fill out lots of paperwork, and give them money, Republicans are just as bad, Trump I can talk to.

Sorry Hillary, we are not going backwards, the future cannot be tied to the past.



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31 Dec 2015, 9:32 am

cberg wrote:
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A possible positive thing about a Hillary presidency would be having all those fudementalist Muslim leaders like the Saudi Royal family sh*****g their pants because they have to meet with a women head of state, especially a women with her personality.


I'd take King Abdullah over ANY of the candidates from either party or Bernie any day of the week. For all the Wahhabi bluster he's a brilliant diplomat who legitimately cares about stability.


That would be difficult because Abdullah died nearly a year ago. Salman is the new king.


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31 Dec 2015, 12:00 pm

Seems like there is a overwhelmingly negative feeling towards Hillary



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31 Dec 2015, 11:18 pm

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Seems like there is a overwhelmingly negative feeling towards Hillary


But not because she's female. ;)


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31 Dec 2015, 11:55 pm

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Trump is hated more than Hillary over here, and more loved too apparently.


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