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I'll take populism over corruption and entrenched special interests dictated by an elite oligarchy.
It doesn't prevent that either.
Maybe not but with populism you might see a few of those oligarchs head's roll if you catch my drift
The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants... that sort of thing...
This country does not work for me so why not? I have no attachment to the status quo.
I get what you are saying but some people sometime confuse not getting their way as the country not working for them.
It is a sign the democracy is working if you aren't always getting your way.
Oligarchy is a result of entrenched values even within ordinary citizens.
I'm a Competionist, and here are my ideas:
Crack down on collusion and make it less worthwhile, reform company and patent law. Remove existing protectionism for cooperation, and corn laws the inhibit trade. Remove artificial barriers to entry, etc. Then create incentives so ordinary investor and saver can insulate themselves through a more diverse economy, and options within companies. Only then consider proactive interventions to increase competition, but never selectively or retroactively like the silly anti-trust legislation.
Capitalism is not an economic model, it is only a component of one. People should remember that. It is necessary but no guarantee of competition.
The joke is Mussolini would have never dreamed of achieving what we have now, the relationship between corporations and governments we have today. This is his model of fascism realised.
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I'll take populism over corruption and entrenched special interests dictated by an elite oligarchy.
It doesn't prevent that either.
In fact, populism can carry a demagogue into power, whose only concern for the people is to give him or her the power of the mob either in the voting booth, or the street.
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-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
The best thing the stop migration from Mexico, is any policy improve the economy of Mexico.
They can start by stopping the ridiculous war on drugs, then do something about the huge demand in the US. Supply and treat them.
Then incentive anti-corruption measures, whilst encouraging investment in Mexico.
A wall isn't going to do jack. You can go round the wall currently, but they aren't bothering they just go through or over or under it. It simply cannot be policed, the border is too long.
It is a sign the democracy is working if you aren't always getting your way.
Oligarchy is a result of entrenched values even within ordinary citizens.
I'm a Competionist, and here are my ideas:
Crack down on collusion and make it less worthwhile, reform company and patent law. Remove existing protectionism for cooperation, and corn laws the inhibit trade. Remove artificial barriers to entry, etc. Then create incentives so ordinary investor and saver can insulate themselves through a more diverse economy, and options within companies. Only then consider proactive interventions to increase competition, but never selectively or retroactively like the silly anti-trust legislation.
Capitalism is not an economic model, it is only a component of one. People should remember that. It is necessary but no guarantee of competition.
The joke is Mussolini would have never dreamed of achieving what we have now, the relationship between corporations and governments we have today. This is his model of fascism realised.
Of course, reminds me a quote from George Carlin "Germany may of lost WWII, but fascism won it"
I don't think I am sour grapes, I see the future of this country in jeopardy and if the federal government doesn't or can't get a handle of it then I strongly support the right secession and I think it will be come inevitable. There isn't going to be another war to keep the states together, once it is over it is over. A lot things in my life influence the way I think but I don't feel like my view deviate much further from peer group but my experience probably isn't typical for your average white American male but that's beyond just the autism and more to do with where I came from. It's not working for me simply because I don't see the opportunity, I am lucky to have the family that I do because my life could of been thrown away like so many I knew growing up that didn't have the same luxury.
I'm ready to try something new, some of that change we've been promised for so long.
Mexico could be dealt with very easily
all we need to do is a)tighten up work programs specifically H-2 Visas but others as well that have been taken advantage of by American business to deprive Americans of jobs. b)Put a tariff on Mexico to cover the cost their citizens rack up in this country, maybe a tax on remittance payments to Mexico too. They'll get control of the border and build the wall in under a year if we did that, we need to stop letting them take advantage of us by emptying their slums into our country. c)end jus soli birthright citizenship, only those with a parent that is an American citizen becomes natural-born citizen. d)completely end the war on drugs, legalize everything to eliminate the black market e)once the border is secure then make it a crime punishable by up to 5 years in prison for illegally entering the United States on a 2nd offense. f)put a much larger contingent of our military along our southern border, these guys should be defending our border not the one between Afghanistan and Pakistan.
Mexico has to coerced into cooperating, without Mexico's cooperation there is no hope of every controlling our southern border. We need them as well as the central American countries to aid in repatriating their citizens that come to our country, I've talked about my idea of paying money per-head to illegals to voluntarily leave the country with a cash payment and I think it could nice way of indirect aid to these countries which their corrupt governments could not mishandle. Average cost of a deportation is 12k per, so how about 6k cash and plane ticket? Saves a lot of time, money, and trauma. That's like a year's pay there, give it installments and have especially harsh penalties for anybody that returns illegally.
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It is a sign the democracy is working if you aren't always getting your way.
Oligarchy is a result of entrenched values even within ordinary citizens.
I'm a Competionist, and here are my ideas:
Crack down on collusion and make it less worthwhile, reform company and patent law. Remove existing protectionism for cooperation, and corn laws the inhibit trade. Remove artificial barriers to entry, etc. Then create incentives so ordinary investor and saver can insulate themselves through a more diverse economy, and options within companies. Only then consider proactive interventions to increase competition, but never selectively or retroactively like the silly anti-trust legislation.
Capitalism is not an economic model, it is only a component of one. People should remember that. It is necessary but no guarantee of competition.
The joke is Mussolini would have never dreamed of achieving what we have now, the relationship between corporations and governments we have today. This is his model of fascism realised.
Of course, reminds me a quote from George Carlin "Germany may of lost WWII, but fascism won it"
I don't think I am sour grapes, I see the future of this country in jeopardy and if the federal government doesn't or can't get a handle of it then I strongly support the right secession and I think it will be come inevitable. There isn't going to be another war to keep the states together, once it is over it is over. A lot things in my life influence the way I think but I don't feel like my view deviate much further from peer group but my experience probably isn't typical for your average white American male but that's beyond just the autism and more to do with where I came from. It's not working for me simply because I don't see the opportunity, I am lucky to have the family that I do because my life could of been thrown away like so many I knew growing up that didn't have the same luxury.
I'm ready to try something new, some of that change we've been promised for so long.
Why would America split apart? There's nothing even remotely similar to the slavery issue today that would cause half the country to break away for the sake of preserving it.
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-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
So... invading Mexico to stop illegal immigration is supposed to be a good idea?
Invade? No, but I see nothing that would preclude us from shooting anyone crossing over, or for that matter under, the US/Mexican border at any location other than established checkpoints. Nothing really protects them from such measures.
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So... invading Mexico to stop illegal immigration is supposed to be a good idea?
Invade? No, but I see nothing that would preclude us from shooting anyone crossing over, or for that matter under, the US/Mexican border at any location other than established checkpoints. Nothing really protects them from such measures.
I thought we Americans were better than just shooting someone for just looking for opportunity.
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-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
So... invading Mexico to stop illegal immigration is supposed to be a good idea?
Invade? No, but I see nothing that would preclude us from shooting anyone crossing over, or for that matter under, the US/Mexican border at any location other than established checkpoints. Nothing really protects them from such measures.
I thought we Americans were better than just shooting someone for just looking for opportunity.
With that mindset why not just call breaking and entering of our homes to be "just looking for opportunity"?
To me an illegal border crossing is breaking and entering.
Even if it were me, a US citizen, crossing back into the US illegally I'd expect to catch a bullet.
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Kraichgauer
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So... invading Mexico to stop illegal immigration is supposed to be a good idea?
Invade? No, but I see nothing that would preclude us from shooting anyone crossing over, or for that matter under, the US/Mexican border at any location other than established checkpoints. Nothing really protects them from such measures.
I thought we Americans were better than just shooting someone for just looking for opportunity.
With that mindset why not just call breaking and entering of our homes to be "just looking for opportunity"?
To me an illegal border crossing is breaking and entering.
Even if it were me, a US citizen, crossing back into the US illegally I'd expect to catch a bullet.
I think you know there's a huge difference between criminals who rob your home, and people wanting to work for a better future for themselves and their families. And do children crossing illegally deserve a bullet?
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-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
So... invading Mexico to stop illegal immigration is supposed to be a good idea?
Invade? No, but I see nothing that would preclude us from shooting anyone crossing over, or for that matter under, the US/Mexican border at any location other than established checkpoints. Nothing really protects them from such measures.
I thought we Americans were better than just shooting someone for just looking for opportunity.
With that mindset why not just call breaking and entering of our homes to be "just looking for opportunity"?
To me an illegal border crossing is breaking and entering.
Even if it were me, a US citizen, crossing back into the US illegally I'd expect to catch a bullet.
I think you know there's a huge difference between criminals who rob your home, and people wanting to work for a better future for themselves and their families.
Same principle: Illegal entry.
They deserve two. One for the crime itself and the second one for thinking that by being children they can get away with it. Conservatives are nothing if not hard hearted and just plain evil.
Besides, the left's definition of children can be anyone with parents still living.
Any other questions?
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So... invading Mexico to stop illegal immigration is supposed to be a good idea?
Invade? No, but I see nothing that would preclude us from shooting anyone crossing over, or for that matter under, the US/Mexican border at any location other than established checkpoints. Nothing really protects them from such measures.
I thought we Americans were better than just shooting someone for just looking for opportunity.
With that mindset why not just call breaking and entering of our homes to be "just looking for opportunity"?
To me an illegal border crossing is breaking and entering.
Even if it were me, a US citizen, crossing back into the US illegally I'd expect to catch a bullet.
I think you know there's a huge difference between criminals who rob your home, and people wanting to work for a better future for themselves and their families.
Same principle: Illegal entry.
They deserve two. One for the crime itself and the second one for thinking that by being children they can get away with it. Conservatives are nothing if not hard hearted and just plain evil.
Besides, the left's definition of children can be anyone with parents still living.
Any other questions?
I like to imagine this is just your attempt to piss me off in your role as a provocateur, and that you don't really believe any of that..
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-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
So... invading Mexico to stop illegal immigration is supposed to be a good idea?
Invade? No, but I see nothing that would preclude us from shooting anyone crossing over, or for that matter under, the US/Mexican border at any location other than established checkpoints. Nothing really protects them from such measures.
I thought we Americans were better than just shooting someone for just looking for opportunity.
With that mindset why not just call breaking and entering of our homes to be "just looking for opportunity"?
To me an illegal border crossing is breaking and entering.
Even if it were me, a US citizen, crossing back into the US illegally I'd expect to catch a bullet.
I think you know there's a huge difference between criminals who rob your home, and people wanting to work for a better future for themselves and their families.
Same principle: Illegal entry.
They deserve two. One for the crime itself and the second one for thinking that by being children they can get away with it. Conservatives are nothing if not hard hearted and just plain evil.
Besides, the left's definition of children can be anyone with parents still living.
Any other questions?
I like to imagine this is just your attempt to piss me off in your role as a provocateur, and that you don't really believe any of that..
If I didnt know any better I'd think you were accusing me of being a T-R-O-L-L.
1. Illegal entry is illegal entry.
2. You seem to not have much of an issue with federal agents shooting a 14 year old in the back in Idaho or burning kids do death in Texas so I don't see how you could have much of an issue shooting kids unlawfully crossing a border.
3. The left has been known to distort the term "child" to fluff up thier statistics on gun deaths. I imagine they do the same for thier other statistics if it suits them.
No provocateur-ing or trolling, just facts and some things I've observed...
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Kraichgauer
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So... invading Mexico to stop illegal immigration is supposed to be a good idea?
Invade? No, but I see nothing that would preclude us from shooting anyone crossing over, or for that matter under, the US/Mexican border at any location other than established checkpoints. Nothing really protects them from such measures.
I thought we Americans were better than just shooting someone for just looking for opportunity.
With that mindset why not just call breaking and entering of our homes to be "just looking for opportunity"?
To me an illegal border crossing is breaking and entering.
Even if it were me, a US citizen, crossing back into the US illegally I'd expect to catch a bullet.
I think you know there's a huge difference between criminals who rob your home, and people wanting to work for a better future for themselves and their families.
Same principle: Illegal entry.
They deserve two. One for the crime itself and the second one for thinking that by being children they can get away with it. Conservatives are nothing if not hard hearted and just plain evil.
Besides, the left's definition of children can be anyone with parents still living.
Any other questions?
I like to imagine this is just your attempt to piss me off in your role as a provocateur, and that you don't really believe any of that..
If I didnt know any better I'd think you were accusing me of being a T-R-O-L-L.
1. Illegal entry is illegal entry.
2. You seem to not have much of an issue with federal agents shooting a 14 year old in the back in Idaho or burning kids do death in Texas so I don't see how you could have much of an issue shooting kids unlawfully crossing a border.
3. The left has been known to distort the term "child" to fluff up thier statistics on gun deaths. I imagine they do the same for thier other statistics if it suits them.
No provocateur-ing or trolling, just facts and some things I've observed...
The death of Weaver's kid, while regrettable, occurred during a firefight, while the children burned to death at Waco were murdered by that fanatic David Koresh, after he figured he could jump start the apocalypse to get out of going to prison. What you're advocating is the shooting of people who are hardly violent criminals. Guess what, we Americans pride ourselves for being better than that.
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