18 Jan 2016, 3:54 am
Kraichgauer
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18 Jan 2016, 3:58 am
Kraichgauer
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18 Jan 2016, 3:59 am
sly279 wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
nurseangela wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
nurseangela wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
For all the libertarian talk of individualism, the truth is, we are all members of a society as well, dependant on each other. And some members of society, due to age, poverty, or disability, just happen to be more dependant than others. That's something the libertarian ideology doesn't want to acknowledge. Also, there's an absolute callousness about forcing persons in need of extra help to pull themselves up by their bootstraps, or to just get out of the way, which I assume means their expected to die. That being the case, I've never grasped why some Aspies ever embrace libertarianism.
And some people, like my neighbor The Biatch, want to go on disability because she has fibromyalgia which translates to "I'm just in soooooo much pain that I can't work, but I can spend oodles amount of time being out of my mind drunk and partying for endless amount of hours. Whaaa! Cry me a river of tears!" She's probably having all of her pain from falling constantly (which me and my neighbor have both heard her falling) in her drunken stupor and not able to remember it. Fibromyalgia my ass.
How do you know what sort of pain she is or isn't in? And while staying drunk all the time hardly is a good thing, did you consider the possibility that she abuses alcohol because of the depression that invariably accompanies great physical pain? People in physical and psychological pain very often turn to substance abuse. Then again, I can't claim to know this woman. And even if she is just planning to steal from the system, that hardly means that most people needing help also fit that description.
That's just my neighbor, dude. I haven't even mentioned the countless patients I've had who have been admitted on alcohol or drugs who were also on disability or unemployment They don't have time to work because being strung out is their full-time job. They come to the hospital after they overdose then we patch them up and send them right back home to do it all over again. Everyone on disability and unemployment should have MANDATORY drug tests - that's the least that they could do if they are on the up and up.
As a matter of fact, I think it was in Florida that they tried drug tests for people on public assistance, with the intent of throwing masses of those people off the rolls. Instead, they found only a tiny minority of those needing state and federal help were drug users. I don't doubt you see people coming into the ER with drug related calamities who also happen to be on disability, but it isn't fair to describe them as representative of all those receiving help.
Not to mention the added cost of drug tests, and personal to do them. Then the right will complain about having to pay more. Also is it going be constant?
I work and I've been tested once that's it. Do you get tested weekly Angela?
Do you have any idea how hard and how long it takes to get on disability? Then you have to be revaluation per every 2-5 years where they try to get you kicked off even though you have a legitimate reason for being on it. For people with anxiety disorders this is a living hell when it happens and you want to subject them to weekly Monty or every 3 month drug tests where they have to worry about if the opine seeds they are will cause them to fail or what if one of ther many many drugs they are prescribed does. What about people who have medical weed? No your right they should have to choose between dying by their disorder or dying from starving and freezing to death .
All so people like u can have 5 cars , bunch of motor bike,s few boats and plasma ts more then they have now.
Yeah I know that might not be u but how's it feel to be generalized? I've meet lots of people on the right who call for stuff lik drug testing and kicking people off welfare who have 3-4 paid off cars, own their house, have lots of fancy electronics, Dam they hurting so bad. If not for the welfare people they could have s few more cars to sit parked in their driveway. That's how little people's human beings life's are valued to them.
You see, we can be in agreement. In fact, I'd be willing to bet we'd agree on more things than not.
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Kraichgauer
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18 Jan 2016, 4:38 am
18 Jan 2016, 4:38 am
Kraichgauer wrote:
sly279 wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
nurseangela wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
nurseangela wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
For all the libertarian talk of individualism, the truth is, we are all members of a society as well, dependant on each other. And some members of society, due to age, poverty, or disability, just happen to be more dependant than others. That's something the libertarian ideology doesn't want to acknowledge. Also, there's an absolute callousness about forcing persons in need of extra help to pull themselves up by their bootstraps, or to just get out of the way, which I assume means their expected to die. That being the case, I've never grasped why some Aspies ever embrace libertarianism.
And some people, like my neighbor The Biatch, want to go on disability because she has fibromyalgia which translates to "I'm just in soooooo much pain that I can't work, but I can spend oodles amount of time being out of my mind drunk and partying for endless amount of hours. Whaaa! Cry me a river of tears!" She's probably having all of her pain from falling constantly (which me and my neighbor have both heard her falling) in her drunken stupor and not able to remember it. Fibromyalgia my ass.
How do you know what sort of pain she is or isn't in? And while staying drunk all the time hardly is a good thing, did you consider the possibility that she abuses alcohol because of the depression that invariably accompanies great physical pain? People in physical and psychological pain very often turn to substance abuse. Then again, I can't claim to know this woman. And even if she is just planning to steal from the system, that hardly means that most people needing help also fit that description.
That's just my neighbor, dude. I haven't even mentioned the countless patients I've had who have been admitted on alcohol or drugs who were also on disability or unemployment They don't have time to work because being strung out is their full-time job. They come to the hospital after they overdose then we patch them up and send them right back home to do it all over again. Everyone on disability and unemployment should have MANDATORY drug tests - that's the least that they could do if they are on the up and up.
As a matter of fact, I think it was in Florida that they tried drug tests for people on public assistance, with the intent of throwing masses of those people off the rolls. Instead, they found only a tiny minority of those needing state and federal help were drug users. I don't doubt you see people coming into the ER with drug related calamities who also happen to be on disability, but it isn't fair to describe them as representative of all those receiving help.
Not to mention the added cost of drug tests, and personal to do them. Then the right will complain about having to pay more. Also is it going be constant?
I work and I've been tested once that's it. Do you get tested weekly Angela?
Do you have any idea how hard and how long it takes to get on disability? Then you have to be revaluation per every 2-5 years where they try to get you kicked off even though you have a legitimate reason for being on it. For people with anxiety disorders this is a living hell when it happens and you want to subject them to weekly Monty or every 3 month drug tests where they have to worry about if the opine seeds they are will cause them to fail or what if one of ther many many drugs they are prescribed does. What about people who have medical weed? No your right they should have to choose between dying by their disorder or dying from starving and freezing to death .
All so people like u can have 5 cars , bunch of motor bike,s few boats and plasma ts more then they have now.
Yeah I know that might not be u but how's it feel to be generalized? I've meet lots of people on the right who call for stuff lik drug testing and kicking people off welfare who have 3-4 paid off cars, own their house, have lots of fancy electronics, Dam they hurting so bad. If not for the welfare people they could have s few more cars to sit parked in their driveway. That's how little people's human beings life's are valued to them.
You see, we can be in agreement. In fact, I'd be willing to bet we'd agree on more things than not.
But we disagree on the most important thing to me.
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18 Jan 2016, 4:46 am
sly279 wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
sly279 wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
nurseangela wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
nurseangela wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
For all the libertarian talk of individualism, the truth is, we are all members of a society as well, dependant on each other. And some members of society, due to age, poverty, or disability, just happen to be more dependant than others. That's something the libertarian ideology doesn't want to acknowledge. Also, there's an absolute callousness about forcing persons in need of extra help to pull themselves up by their bootstraps, or to just get out of the way, which I assume means their expected to die. That being the case, I've never grasped why some Aspies ever embrace libertarianism.
And some people, like my neighbor The Biatch, want to go on disability because she has fibromyalgia which translates to "I'm just in soooooo much pain that I can't work, but I can spend oodles amount of time being out of my mind drunk and partying for endless amount of hours. Whaaa! Cry me a river of tears!" She's probably having all of her pain from falling constantly (which me and my neighbor have both heard her falling) in her drunken stupor and not able to remember it. Fibromyalgia my ass.
How do you know what sort of pain she is or isn't in? And while staying drunk all the time hardly is a good thing, did you consider the possibility that she abuses alcohol because of the depression that invariably accompanies great physical pain? People in physical and psychological pain very often turn to substance abuse. Then again, I can't claim to know this woman. And even if she is just planning to steal from the system, that hardly means that most people needing help also fit that description.
That's just my neighbor, dude. I haven't even mentioned the countless patients I've had who have been admitted on alcohol or drugs who were also on disability or unemployment They don't have time to work because being strung out is their full-time job. They come to the hospital after they overdose then we patch them up and send them right back home to do it all over again. Everyone on disability and unemployment should have MANDATORY drug tests - that's the least that they could do if they are on the up and up.
As a matter of fact, I think it was in Florida that they tried drug tests for people on public assistance, with the intent of throwing masses of those people off the rolls. Instead, they found only a tiny minority of those needing state and federal help were drug users. I don't doubt you see people coming into the ER with drug related calamities who also happen to be on disability, but it isn't fair to describe them as representative of all those receiving help.
Not to mention the added cost of drug tests, and personal to do them. Then the right will complain about having to pay more. Also is it going be constant?
I work and I've been tested once that's it. Do you get tested weekly Angela?
Do you have any idea how hard and how long it takes to get on disability? Then you have to be revaluation per every 2-5 years where they try to get you kicked off even though you have a legitimate reason for being on it. For people with anxiety disorders this is a living hell when it happens and you want to subject them to weekly Monty or every 3 month drug tests where they have to worry about if the opine seeds they are will cause them to fail or what if one of ther many many drugs they are prescribed does. What about people who have medical weed? No your right they should have to choose between dying by their disorder or dying from starving and freezing to death .
All so people like u can have 5 cars , bunch of motor bike,s few boats and plasma ts more then they have now.
Yeah I know that might not be u but how's it feel to be generalized? I've meet lots of people on the right who call for stuff lik drug testing and kicking people off welfare who have 3-4 paid off cars, own their house, have lots of fancy electronics, Dam they hurting so bad. If not for the welfare people they could have s few more cars to sit parked in their driveway. That's how little people's human beings life's are valued to them.
You see, we can be in agreement. In fact, I'd be willing to bet we'd agree on more things than not.
But we disagree on the most important thing to me.
Then we can be civilized people, and agree to disagree. But I'll reiterate, I AM NOT AGAINST GUN RIGHTS!! !! I'm just opposed to the paranoia that has grown up around the issue. And I absolutely hate the sick f*ckers who accuse grieving families of just being actors, and who say that the victims of mass shootings never existed. And if you're the man of conscience I think you are, then I think you have to despise that sort of people, too. I have never lumped the majority of gun owners in with those lunatics.
18 Jan 2016, 4:56 am
18 Jan 2016, 5:03 am
18 Jan 2016, 5:09 am
18 Jan 2016, 5:15 am
Kraichgauer wrote:
sly279 wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
sly279 wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
nurseangela wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
nurseangela wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
For all the libertarian talk of individualism, the truth is, we are all members of a society as well, dependant on each other. And some members of society, due to age, poverty, or disability, just happen to be more dependant than others. That's something the libertarian ideology doesn't want to acknowledge. Also, there's an absolute callousness about forcing persons in need of extra help to pull themselves up by their bootstraps, or to just get out of the way, which I assume means their expected to die. That being the case, I've never grasped why some Aspies ever embrace libertarianism.
And some people, like my neighbor The Biatch, want to go on disability because she has fibromyalgia which translates to "I'm just in soooooo much pain that I can't work, but I can spend oodles amount of time being out of my mind drunk and partying for endless amount of hours. Whaaa! Cry me a river of tears!" She's probably having all of her pain from falling constantly (which me and my neighbor have both heard her falling) in her drunken stupor and not able to remember it. Fibromyalgia my ass.
How do you know what sort of pain she is or isn't in? And while staying drunk all the time hardly is a good thing, did you consider the possibility that she abuses alcohol because of the depression that invariably accompanies great physical pain? People in physical and psychological pain very often turn to substance abuse. Then again, I can't claim to know this woman. And even if she is just planning to steal from the system, that hardly means that most people needing help also fit that description.
That's just my neighbor, dude. I haven't even mentioned the countless patients I've had who have been admitted on alcohol or drugs who were also on disability or unemployment They don't have time to work because being strung out is their full-time job. They come to the hospital after they overdose then we patch them up and send them right back home to do it all over again. Everyone on disability and unemployment should have MANDATORY drug tests - that's the least that they could do if they are on the up and up.
As a matter of fact, I think it was in Florida that they tried drug tests for people on public assistance, with the intent of throwing masses of those people off the rolls. Instead, they found only a tiny minority of those needing state and federal help were drug users. I don't doubt you see people coming into the ER with drug related calamities who also happen to be on disability, but it isn't fair to describe them as representative of all those receiving help.
Not to mention the added cost of drug tests, and personal to do them. Then the right will complain about having to pay more. Also is it going be constant?
I work and I've been tested once that's it. Do you get tested weekly Angela?
Do you have any idea how hard and how long it takes to get on disability? Then you have to be revaluation per every 2-5 years where they try to get you kicked off even though you have a legitimate reason for being on it. For people with anxiety disorders this is a living hell when it happens and you want to subject them to weekly Monty or every 3 month drug tests where they have to worry about if the opine seeds they are will cause them to fail or what if one of ther many many drugs they are prescribed does. What about people who have medical weed? No your right they should have to choose between dying by their disorder or dying from starving and freezing to death .
All so people like u can have 5 cars , bunch of motor bike,s few boats and plasma ts more then they have now.
Yeah I know that might not be u but how's it feel to be generalized? I've meet lots of people on the right who call for stuff lik drug testing and kicking people off welfare who have 3-4 paid off cars, own their house, have lots of fancy electronics, Dam they hurting so bad. If not for the welfare people they could have s few more cars to sit parked in their driveway. That's how little people's human beings life's are valued to them.
You see, we can be in agreement. In fact, I'd be willing to bet we'd agree on more things than not.
But we disagree on the most important thing to me.
Then we can be civilized people, and agree to disagree. But I'll reiterate, I AM NOT AGAINST GUN RIGHTS!! ! ! I'm just opposed to the paranoia that has grown up around the issue. And I absolutely hate the sick f*ckers who accuse grieving families of just being actors, and who say that the victims of mass shootings never existed. And if you're the man of conscience I think you are, then I think you have to despise that sort of people, too. I have never lumped the majority of gun owners in with those lunatics.
Just as much as I hate the left who stands on the bodies of victims to push their control agenda. The ones who said "never let a good tragedy go to waste"
Again it's not paranoid if people are actually put to ban guns. Which they are.
And if you wake up and see that half your government is working to take guns away it's not too hard to see how some could see fals flag events as a possible reason why this things are all sudden happening in numbers,especially given the atf false flag fast and furious incident and the cdc being used to push gun control. In an idea world the government would be non biased but unfortunately it's run by people and people are biased.
While I don't any of them were I couldn't put it out of the question that certain groups wouldn't cause shootings if they thought it might get guns banned. Heck given most the shooters were liberals I wouldn't out rule if they alone s d by themselves did the shootings because they thought it would get guns banned. Stranger things have happen.
I try to be wary however part of me can't help but worry and think. The Germans thought the Reichstag was a real attack until after the war where it turns out to be a fals flag to give the nazis unlimited power. What if one day after some horrible war we look back and realize we were made a fool of.
The cia has certainly done similar things in other nations to cause a government change.
It's a scary world we live in today where most Americans can't trust their government and fear of government is s top concern for people
And there's the whole police state thing.
Also if anyone is on a pc and wants to trim the quote tunnels, it's a b***h to do on a tablet.
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