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02 Feb 2016, 5:21 pm

These aren't even refugees most of them, economic migrants, mostly single young men

There is a difference between families, women and children, minorities, and what Europe is dealing with right now. What Europe needs is a firm hand, just because there's a war in the Middle East does not mean they can overrun the continent. I do not care if our traitorous leaders approved of whatever legitimate grievance they have, we do not owe them anything. Those treacherous leaders however, I'd just as soon let them stand trial over there where the crime was committed.

We're full, we can be picky.



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02 Feb 2016, 5:41 pm

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These aren't even refugees most of them, economic migrants, mostly single young men

http://www.unhcr.org.uk/about-us/key-fa ... gures.html
51% of migrants being <18 years old = mostly single young men. got it.
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There is a difference between families, women and children, minorities, and what Europe is dealing with right now. What Europe needs is a firm hand, just because there's a war in the Middle East does not mean they can overrun the continent.
just because fox news runs scare stories all the time does not mean you have to swallow their narrative with zero critical thinking.

even if the entire population of muslims in syria migrated to europe, the % of muslims in europe would go from 4% to 5%.
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I do not care if our traitorous leaders approved of whatever legitimate grievance they have, we do not owe them anything. Those treacherous leaders however, I'd just as soon let them stand trial over there where the crime was committed.
so they should just die so you can save on your taxes? good to know.
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02 Feb 2016, 5:53 pm

We have no responsibilities except to the citizens of this country who are being FAILED by the government, we do not owe anybody. Go hold the people actually responsible accountable, not us.

Immigration policy should be one that respects our culture and promotes national unity, not one that creates separatist ethnic enclaves that the elite can all play against each other. We shouldn't have to live under a police state because some dumb liberals get their feelings hurt because we have to do the most basic function of government which is to protect our borders from foreign invasion. The CoC shouldn't control it, La Raza definitely shouldn't control, the people should. It should fit the interests of your everyday American, I do not care if mass immigration is profitable for wealthy out there since the reason it is profitable is because they undercut are wages and hire them as slave workers.

Islam as it is practiced in the Middle East by extremist countries like Saudi Arabia and Pakistan has no place in the western world, it does pose an existential threat just as fascism and communism did because it goal is world is world domination. We need to fight for western civilizations, we need to protect our own culture from being wiped away and it seems like we've really lost our way.



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02 Feb 2016, 6:26 pm

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"no, it was meant to illustrate that your fear of islamic terrorists is extremely exaggerated, not unlike that of a fictional monster in the closet"
Our fear as you like to call it is more like distaste with a measure of disgust thrown in. The "terror" aspect just isn't panning out for those folks. We have more important things to do than worry about deluded people. We have people who weed out most of the insane killers before they can do harm, in case you hadn't noticed. I don't hear about people being frightened by the scarecrow.
more important than worrying about deluded violent people who want to end civilized life as we know it. riiiight.] Yes. Most people have other lives. You can worry for us. We PAY people to hunt down terrorists.
[quoteYou said: " Also it's less a case of 'ours to deal with' and more of 'terrorists? I see no terrorists here, only patriots"

It's always that way, isn't it? But perhaps then "killer" is the better term, since this is what they do. What else would you expect from those who hold up their god as the reason for killing others.
that describes every religion ever.But I don't see anyone else with bomb vests on.[quote
They should go to school, get jobs, and be upstanding citizens like the rest of the world and lead the world again in Science, Astronomy and other fields. But instead they use war and try to convince others this is the correct path. Muhammed would cry.[/quote]aside from the bit about muhammed you just described america pretty much. school should be cheaper/free so people can get the jobs they want and build america up, but the chickenhawks are wasting resources instead.[/quote]I agree.



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02 Feb 2016, 6:40 pm

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I was saying our bloated defense budget is due to keeping armed after WWII and holding back the "Communist Threat" from the rest of Europe while they recovered which morphed into the rest of the world expecting us to always save their butt. My comment was to suggest perhaps we should have allowed Europe to defend themselves against becoming a "communist" hellhole, instead of always trying to involve us.
yah, that wouldn't have happened. if america had left europe alone before ww2, you'd be speaking german, and if they had after ww2, you'd be speaking russian.


And how many years would we have had to prepare before a UNITED Nazi Europe would have been ready to recover and attack? Long enough for us to prepare lots of atom bombs? That could have easily happened and may have been likely. But no foreign country would have liked to get many of those dropped on them. Who knows...the folks in Germany and Russia might be speaking English now. Or perhaps we'd wipe each other out and the world would be speaking Arabic now?



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02 Feb 2016, 6:41 pm

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We have no responsibilities except to the citizens of this country who are being FAILED by the government, we do not owe anybody. Go hold the people actually responsible accountable, not us.
i'm sure that'll comfort the war refugees when they're cold and starving :roll:
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Immigration policy should be one that respects our culture and promotes national unity, not one that creates separatist ethnic enclaves that the elite can all play against each other.
oh, you mean like white people have in rural areas? The elite are the ones making the poor eat itself, why would they need 'enclaves' for this
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We shouldn't have to live under a police state because some dumb liberals get their feelings hurt because we have to do the most basic function of government which is to protect our borders from foreign invasion.
usually that's the job of CBP.
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The CoC shouldn't control it, La Raza definitely shouldn't control, the people should.
the president doesn't, La Raza isn't in any position to, and the people shouldn't be directly in control of immigration, the masses are really under informed.
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It should fit the interests of your everyday American, I do not care if mass immigration is profitable for wealthy out there since the reason it is profitable is because they undercut are wages and hire them as slave workers.
so immigration is to blame for unscrupulous business owners being abusive with their employees? :roll:
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Islam as it is practiced in the Middle East by extremist countries like Saudi Arabia and Pakistan has no place in the western world, it does pose an existential threat just as fascism and communism did because it goal is world is world domination. We need to fight for western civilizations, we need to protect our own culture from being wiped away and it seems like we've really lost our way.
extremism is extremism, what book they're pretending to read from means nothing.



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02 Feb 2016, 6:46 pm

Make a coherent argument, stop trying to snipe at my posts. I don't play that game you're trying to play.

it makes you look stupid not smart, do you want to annoy me into not replying?



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02 Feb 2016, 6:51 pm

I see your other post, but it's just a mess of mismatched quote tags that I can't figure out, sorry.

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And how many years would we have had to prepare before a UNITED Nazi Europe would have been ready to recover and attack? Long enough for us to prepare lots of atom bombs? That could have easily happened and may have been likely. But no foreign country would have liked to get many of those dropped on them. Who knows...the folks in Germany and Russia might be speaking English now. Or perhaps we'd wipe each other out and the world would be speaking Arabic now?
except that the middle east played very little part in ww2, and would never have been able to muster anywhere near enough manpower to accomplish what you're talking about.



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02 Feb 2016, 6:53 pm

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Make a coherent argument, stop trying to snipe at my posts. I don't play that game you're trying to play. it makes you look stupid not smart, do you want to annoy me into not replying?
you mean like I did in the other thread where you responded by repeating yourself and linking naturalnews.com



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02 Feb 2016, 6:57 pm

Fugu wrote:
Jacoby wrote:
Make a coherent argument, stop trying to snipe at my posts. I don't play that game you're trying to play. it makes you look stupid not smart, do you want to annoy me into not replying?
I made a coherent argument, you responded with naturalnews.com. who's the one playing games?


Don't cut and paste my post into 10 different quotes with some snide remarks in between, that isn't coherent argument at all but rather just annoying and I will not play that game. Either respond to my post as a whole or get lost.



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02 Feb 2016, 6:58 pm

Fugu wrote:
Jacoby wrote:
Make a coherent argument, stop trying to snipe at my posts. I don't play that game you're trying to play. it makes you look stupid not smart, do you want to annoy me into not replying?
you mean like I did in the other thread where you responded by repeating yourself and linking naturalnews.com


Where you tried to deflect the conversation? There's another link there for you by the way, don't attack me personally cross threads okay?



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02 Feb 2016, 7:04 pm

Jacoby wrote:
Fugu wrote:
Jacoby wrote:
Make a coherent argument, stop trying to snipe at my posts. I don't play that game you're trying to play. it makes you look stupid not smart, do you want to annoy me into not replying?
I made a coherent argument, you responded with naturalnews.com. who's the one playing games?


Don't cut and paste my post into 10 different quotes with some snide remarks in between, that isn't coherent argument at all but rather just annoying and I will not play that game. Either respond to my post as a whole or get lost.
I was responding to individual points you made that jumped out at me in a clear and easily read fashion. sorry you find quote tags annoying i guess?

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Where you tried to deflect the conversation? There's another link there for you by the way, don't attack me personally cross threads okay?
it was more a case of me forgetting which thread I was looking at :oops:
I would have taken it down but you had already seen it.



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02 Feb 2016, 7:09 pm

I believe Trump has seen that religious motivation combined with the ignorance of the media and current PC culture will result in exponential rises in terrorism attacks. People don't want to just say that Islam is the problem, and that Middle Eastern culture is a huge issue, else they get labelled "racist" or, more embarrassingly for them, have to conjure up absurd terms like "Islamophobic".

I think Trump is an ignorant fool and devoid of empathy, but he's not at all wrong on this front.

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The sources you provide aren't very convincing. I'd like to see a link to the actual statistical study that determines 95% of syrian refugees are single young men for one. Also your article is about Germany, what does trump and any of his solutions have to do with Germany, he's an american.

Are you trying to argue that if we don't follow Trumps insane plan of banning specifically muslim immigrants/refugees as opposed to christians for instance.........the U.S will become an Islamic State with Sharia law intact? Meh if anything seems there is more risk of christian morality being passed as legislation currently.


For one, the Cologne New Year's attacks were pretty much confirmed to have been the result of Syrian refugees. I wouldn't say it's a coincidence. In places like the Middle East, human life appears to have far less meaning. On top of that, the rape capital of the world (Sweden) is known for having a liberal basis for allowing people freely into the country. This results in increase in crime, the direct result of...guess who?


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02 Feb 2016, 7:19 pm

TheExodus wrote:
I believe Trump has seen that religious motivation combined with the ignorance of the media and current PC culture will result in exponential rises in terrorism attacks. People don't want to just say that Islam is the problem, and that Middle Eastern culture is a huge issue, else they get labelled "racist" or, more embarrassingly for them, have to conjure up absurd terms like "Islamophobic".

I think Trump is an ignorant fool and devoid of empathy, but he's not at all wrong on this front.

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The sources you provide aren't very convincing. I'd like to see a link to the actual statistical study that determines 95% of syrian refugees are single young men for one. Also your article is about Germany, what does trump and any of his solutions have to do with Germany, he's an american.

Are you trying to argue that if we don't follow Trumps insane plan of banning specifically muslim immigrants/refugees as opposed to christians for instance.........the U.S will become an Islamic State with Sharia law intact? Meh if anything seems there is more risk of christian morality being passed as legislation currently.


For one, the Cologne New Year's attacks were pretty much confirmed to have been the result of Syrian refugees. I wouldn't say it's a coincidence. In places like the Middle East, human life appears to have far less meaning. On top of that, the rape capital of the world (Sweden) is known for having a liberal basis for allowing people freely into the country. This results in increase in crime, the direct result of...guess who?
where are you getting this increase in crime?



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02 Feb 2016, 7:23 pm

Fugu wrote:
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I believe Trump has seen that religious motivation combined with the ignorance of the media and current PC culture will result in exponential rises in terrorism attacks. People don't want to just say that Islam is the problem, and that Middle Eastern culture is a huge issue, else they get labelled "racist" or, more embarrassingly for them, have to conjure up absurd terms like "Islamophobic".

I think Trump is an ignorant fool and devoid of empathy, but he's not at all wrong on this front.

Sweetleaf wrote:
The sources you provide aren't very convincing. I'd like to see a link to the actual statistical study that determines 95% of syrian refugees are single young men for one. Also your article is about Germany, what does trump and any of his solutions have to do with Germany, he's an american.

Are you trying to argue that if we don't follow Trumps insane plan of banning specifically muslim immigrants/refugees as opposed to christians for instance.........the U.S will become an Islamic State with Sharia law intact? Meh if anything seems there is more risk of christian morality being passed as legislation currently.


For one, the Cologne New Year's attacks were pretty much confirmed to have been the result of Syrian refugees. I wouldn't say it's a coincidence. In places like the Middle East, human life appears to have far less meaning. On top of that, the rape capital of the world (Sweden) is known for having a liberal basis for allowing people freely into the country. This results in increase in crime, the direct result of...guess who?
where are you getting this increase in crime?


This is the first source I could find;

https://muslimstatistics.wordpress.com/ ... opulation/


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02 Feb 2016, 7:28 pm

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This is the first source I could find;

https://muslimstatistics.wordpress.com/ ... opulation/


"Out of that 4.4% and in deducting the women and children, we can roughly guesstimate that around 2% are male. The foreign rape figures at 77.6% Muslim has been anonymously confirmed by Swedish polish in a phone conversation. The actual figure could be higher. "
Anonymous sources do not good data make.



e: i looked for a source, this is what I found


http://dailycaller.com/2015/10/23/swede ... an-didn't/


"A 1996 Swedish National Council for Crime Prevention report bears this out. It noted that Muslim immigrants from North Africa were 23 times more likely to commit rape than Swedish men. It is no wonder why today Sweden is deemed the rape capital of the Western world."
oh dear, looks like someone's been fooled by rightwing propaganda spun out of whole cloth and outdated information. tragic.



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