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10 Feb 2016, 1:44 pm

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Democratic Socialism. Though that is more specifically around here and facebook....IRL seems to be gaining some popularity but for some people its not 'merican enough.


You think that's tricky, try dropping qualifiers for it and just identifying as "Socialist". Some people flip out! :lol:


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10 Feb 2016, 1:53 pm

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Democratic Socialism. Though that is more specifically around here and facebook....IRL seems to be gaining some popularity but for some people its not 'merican enough.


You think that's tricky, try dropping qualifiers for it and just identifying as "Socialist". Some people flip out! :lol:

Oh it's even worse if I was to just identify as socialist....even IRL depending on who you're around. Luckily I don't live in a small heavily right wing republican town. But rather the human salad of the Denver, Colorado area...so very many different kinds of people with varying views.


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10 Feb 2016, 2:04 pm

Most people around here are decent about it; I've walked around literally wearing my political views. I did have one guy drive by and give me the finger during a standout and more than a few who looked at me like I was the devil, but I've also had people cheer when they saw that and want to shake my hand.

For maximum awkwardness, there's always political campaign work (some socialist parties in the US don't do that, but those ones also don't do anything of importance to begin with). I've found people have interesting ways of telling you they think you suck without seeming like jerks, themselves.


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10 Feb 2016, 2:43 pm

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I've found people have interesting ways of telling you they think you suck without seeming like jerks, themselves.


Isn't that very much what social skills are about?


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10 Feb 2016, 3:01 pm

I hate ALL American politicians and think they should be punished severely for their greed, stupidity, arrogance, "world policeman" mentality, tyranny and nausea-inducing amount of lying. Like assassination. :evil:

The other night I saw an ad for some movie or mid-season replacement TV drama where five world leaders are all killed at once. I was like, "Oh, it's a feel-good comedy." :twisted:



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10 Feb 2016, 3:42 pm

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Isn't that very much what social skills are about?


No.


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10 Feb 2016, 7:17 pm

Oh, God----where's my .45.....













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10 Feb 2016, 7:33 pm

Most American voters are eager to vote for a candidate who can demonstrate that the candidate can NOT do the job of being a politician -candidates who show that they have talent for creating enemies, and destroying coalitions, and being divisive, and being generally useless, if not downright dangerous, in the oval office.

Im one of the hated few who wants a politician who can do the job of being a politician ( ie win friends and influence people in my behalf).

Having the common sense to seek a politician who can be a politician makes you as hated and unpopular as it gets! :lol:



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10 Feb 2016, 8:50 pm

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I believe that capitalism is inherently immoral and destructive, and that having outlived its ability to provide anything useful to the world the survival of civilization requires that it be overthrown. I do not reject force as a means to achieve this, though it would not be my first choice.

I believe that what we often see called a "free market" prevents the existence of a free people.


A free market isn't at all immoral. It's the basis for freedom of businesses, and as I explained before, it's not the principle itself but the people that ruin it. What's scary is that people have a very skewed view on capitalism, in a self fulfilling prophecy they appear to believe it is damaging because they effectively want it to be. There's so much that wouldn't exist without capitalism, and thus a competitive market. You may be right that a result of capitalism is immorality and corruption, but it is a significant step in progress.

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Religious institutions should be taxed as much as any other business.


Something tells me few people, if any, will disagree with you on that.

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Most American voters are eager to vote for a candidate who can demonstrate that the candidate can NOT do the job of being a politician -candidates who show that they have talent for creating enemies, and destroying coalitions, and being divisive, and being generally useless, if not downright dangerous, in the oval office.

Im one of the hated few who wants a politician who can do the job of being a politician ( ie win friends and influence people in my behalf).

Having the common sense to seek a politician who can be a politician makes you as hated and unpopular as it gets! :lol:


Your idealistic view of a politician appears as though civil rights would very much become priority over every other necessity. This is great, but don't forget that there are many serious issues that need to be challenged in our world today. Frankly, civil rights are about as good as they're ever going to get, the way I see it (disregarding the third world; middle East and such, FGM makes me cringe). There are other far more pressing matters for politicians to tend to, and making enemies as you put it is simply a side effect of solutions. Bear in mind that Socialists are just as hated, if not more, than any other political leaders. They make enemies simply by neglecting what should be priority, at least in the eyes of the general public.


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10 Feb 2016, 9:25 pm

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A free market isn't at all immoral. It's the basis for freedom of businesses, and as I explained before, it's not the principle itself but the people that ruin it. What's scary is that people have a very skewed view on capitalism, in a self fulfilling prophecy they appear to believe it is damaging because they effectively want it to be. There's so much that wouldn't exist without capitalism, and thus a competitive market. You may be right that a result of capitalism is immorality and corruption, but it is a significant step in progress.



And what happens when free businesses find that free people are not in their interest?

Being a significant step in the development of civilization doesn't mean it leads somewhere positive. It does not get a pass on being exploitative and playing fast-and-loose with the world just because it allowed us to have some good things too.

Civilization is an iterative process. We shouldn't get too attached to one step in it.


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10 Feb 2016, 9:58 pm

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TheExodus wrote:
A free market isn't at all immoral. It's the basis for freedom of businesses, and as I explained before, it's not the principle itself but the people that ruin it. What's scary is that people have a very skewed view on capitalism, in a self fulfilling prophecy they appear to believe it is damaging because they effectively want it to be. There's so much that wouldn't exist without capitalism, and thus a competitive market. You may be right that a result of capitalism is immorality and corruption, but it is a significant step in progress.



And what happens when free businesses find that free people are not in their interest?

Being a significant step in the development of civilization doesn't mean it leads somewhere positive. It does not get a pass on being exploitative and playing fast-and-loose with the world just because it allowed us to have some good things too.

Civilization is an iterative process. We shouldn't get too attached to one step in it.


The bottom line is that it is imperative for a competitive market. Perhaps it's caused a lot of greed in the past (and certainly is doing so today), but any system is flawed. People will find a way to be greedy, exploitative, and ultimately ruin whatever economic system they are attached to (same goes for every system). In my opinion, capitalism is the lesser of all evils.


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10 Feb 2016, 10:10 pm

Every American resident who wants to vote, run for public office, and earn a four-year STEM degree for free must first serve a minimum of four years of honorable military service or the equivalent.

Women should have to register for the Draft on their 18th birthday, and fully expect to be drafted into front-line military service in the event of a declared war.

Rapists, peadophiles, child abusers, and spousal abusers should be marooned on an isolated south-sea island, with only the clothes on their backs, an ID card, and the Holy book of their choice.

I should be elected President of the United States of America.



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11 Feb 2016, 1:06 am

@Fnord: So basically... Starship Troopers?


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11 Feb 2016, 1:23 am

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Am I that scary? :lol:


Nah, I'm just an aging boy scout, always gotta have a plan B.


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11 Feb 2016, 11:45 am

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The bottom line is that it is imperative for a competitive market. Perhaps it's caused a lot of greed in the past (and certainly is doing so today), but any system is flawed. People will find a way to be greedy, exploitative, and ultimately ruin whatever economic system they are attached to (same goes for every system). In my opinion, capitalism is the lesser of all evils.


This statement assumes a lot.

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Nah, I'm just an aging boy scout, always gotta have a plan B.


One wonders what you'd do about a problem that can't be shot.


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11 Feb 2016, 9:38 pm

AJisHere wrote:
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The bottom line is that it is imperative for a competitive market. Perhaps it's caused a lot of greed in the past (and certainly is doing so today), but any system is flawed. People will find a way to be greedy, exploitative, and ultimately ruin whatever economic system they are attached to (same goes for every system). In my opinion, capitalism is the lesser of all evils.


This statement assumes a lot.


Not necessarily. You have to bear in mind that politics are always going to be a push and pull, that there's never going to be unanimous agreement even (perhaps even especially) among those of the same political outlook. The only assumption I can really note of making on here is that it's "imperative for a competitive market". To amend that claim, it's not strictly the only political construct that will allow such a thing (though you must enlighten me on the alternatives, as I don't much know what these may be), I personally see it as the best method. The other point I made was strictly my opinion, not much else.

The final point I made that I didn't restrict as being an opinion was that people will always exploit these systems. I think that's true for everything. Even if there were laws for state owned businesses, who's to say there won't be loopholes that these businesses exploit? Also, bear in mind that a state owned business means that the people running it hardly have any freedom. This is a solution to greed, an enemy to expression of legitimately hard working folk.


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