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Aristophanes
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22 Feb 2016, 6:18 pm

Dox47 wrote:
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Most everyday conservatives are very much for keeping the government out of peoples lives. Their leaders will tout that line, until those leaders see a personal or professional gain and then those principles go right out the window and they sell the marks on some other line of BS.


You're mostly preaching to the choir here, but I'm not so sure that the doublethink is quite so confined to the leadership on either side, as I've met many a drug warrior conservative or illiberal liberal that doesn't have any real personal stake in their positions besides tribal loyalty. A lot of the time it feels like they haven't even thought that much about what they believe; I'm increasingly coming to think that those of us who do put some thought into things and try to avoid conflicting beliefs are the odd ones.


No, I agree there too. I'm pretty far left, you're pretty far right, but I can actually trust you more than a "loyalist" or a moderate precisely because I know where you stand and why. Let me put it this way: if you stab me it's probably because you told me you were going to do so and why, with those other two groups they'll stab me in the back on a whim merely because the wind changed.



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22 Feb 2016, 6:54 pm

Dox47 wrote:
You're mostly preaching to the choir here, but I'm not so sure that the doublethink is quite so confined to the leadership on either side, as I've met many a drug warrior conservative or illiberal liberal that doesn't have any real personal stake in their positions besides tribal loyalty. A lot of the time it feels like they haven't even thought that much about what they believe; I'm increasingly coming to think that those of us who do put some thought into things and try to avoid conflicting beliefs are the odd ones.
It probably doesn't help any that US mass media is biased too far to either side and is still conducted on ratings and often with agendas



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24 Feb 2016, 7:06 am

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