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23 Feb 2016, 10:26 am

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Because he kicks ass!


This is the typical reasoning for why people vote for him. I don't think there is any serious reason why one might vote for him. Even if you are not Republican you would have to agree Marco Rubio is a much better candidate.



Rubio is corporate owned airhead and bloodthirsty neocon

he's an awful candidate


Name one real advantage that Trump has over Rubio that isn't just your own opinion.


about 40 IQ points and 10 billion dollars

neocons are not fit to hold office



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23 Feb 2016, 10:47 am

- because you better fix your state(s) than wreck the rest of the world link
- because "The TPP is a horrible idea" (& even his china-allusion is not wrong bc your money's already there)link
sorry 8)



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23 Feb 2016, 11:05 am

don't forget NAFTA

Perot was completely right about the giant sucking sound of jobs leaving this country because of these "free trade" agreements, we are destroying our country and the American worker



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23 Feb 2016, 11:49 am

Who thinks David Cameron looks like a boiled egg ?



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23 Feb 2016, 12:00 pm

Because repeated, cyclic bankruptcy is *good* for an economy, just like for real estate & gambling corporations!


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23 Feb 2016, 12:01 pm

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23 Feb 2016, 12:29 pm

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Because repeated, cyclic bankruptcy is *good* for an economy, just like for real estate & gambling corporations!

Chapter 11 is just business, Trump's record as a businessman has been impeccable. There was nothing on earth that could of save Atlantic City, it was a boomtown that already went bust before



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23 Feb 2016, 12:44 pm

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Because repeated, cyclic bankruptcy is *good* for an economy, just like for real estate & gambling corporations!

Chapter 11 is just business, Trump's record as a businessman has been impeccable. There was nothing on earth that could of save Atlantic City, it was a boomtown that already went bust before

To repeat an earlier posting of the same,

His wealth was from...his father, through inheritance.
In 1974 he became the president of his father's real estate corporation.
In 1990 it was $5-8.8 Billion in debt. He was bailed out by his financing banks.
In 1991 the The Trump Taj Mahal declared bankruptcy.
In 1992 the Trump Plaza Hotel went under.
In 1995 he took his corporation public, boosting his coffers with investor's money.
In 2004 the parent company Trump Hotels and Casinos Resorts went bankrupt after accruing $1.8 billion in debt.
In 2009, the restructured & renamed Trump Hotels and Casinos Resorts then called, 'Trump Entertainment Resorts' again filed for bankruptcy.

So, he originally gained his wealth via inheritance and has since been forced to file for Chapter 11 *four* times. That may be considered, "shrewd" by some, since very little of it was actually his money. But it begs the question, would you really want him running an entire nation like that and treating taxpayer's money the same way?


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23 Feb 2016, 1:48 pm

The Trump Organization has a 50% profit margin and worth many billions of dollars and it was done by actually building things and creating jobs unlike the underhanded way most of the money manipulating cronies on Wall Street and the Beltway have made their vast fortunes. All the great businessmen have had failures, so to hold Trump's against him is unfair because he was a MAN that was not afraid to TRY which is what America is all about. Ambition! There is nothing in Trump's business record that I see as a negative, he has been a great executive and has created brand which transcends the world of business and popular culture which obviously is worth more than $125 they tried to pin it at considering where Trump is right now. Trump wants to make America great again, it's a hell of a slogan and no different than the "hope" and "change" Obama who liked to compare himself to Ronald Reagan as well. However unlike Reagan & Obama, Trump is not owned or beholden to political establishment and that is why they are fighting so hard against him because they know their free lunch will be coming to an end. It is time to take the trash out in Washington, these are the real welfare queens and parasites in this country they have taken us for billions even trillions. Trump is by far the most qualified viable candidate that is running for president right now, I believe he is the leadership that this country needs right now.

I know there are a lot of Bernie Sanders fans out there that are living in a fantasy but the entire DNC process is rigged and it's impossible for Bernie to win. Hillary already has 600+ delegates of the around 2300 she needs to secure the nomination on the first ballot, it has already been decided. Hillary is a person with more than questionable ethics, more shady corrupt business dealings, and a record of abject failure at everything she has ever done. The greatest thing Hillary ever did in her life was marrying and staying married to Bill Clinton, she'll say anything and do anything to gain power which she has an unquenchable thirst for, she was the worst Secretary of State of all time and shares a great responsibility for the unfathomable mess that she helped create. Why would anybody trust this person's leadership?



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23 Feb 2016, 3:34 pm

Jacoby wrote:
The Trump Organization has a 50% profit margin and worth many billions of dollars and it was done by actually building things and creating jobs unlike the underhanded way most of the money manipulating cronies on Wall Street and the Beltway have made their vast fortunes. All the great businessmen have had failures, so to hold Trump's against him is unfair because he was a MAN that was not afraid to TRY which is what America is all about.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/business ... story.html
"The first Trump-tied bankruptcy, in 1991, was of Trump’s biggest Atlantic City casino, the Trump Taj Mahal, whose $1 billion construction was financed by junk bonds at a staggeringly high interest rate of 14 percent. Its glitzy unveiling fell flat amid slumps in Atlantic City and the broader U.S. economy, leaving the Trump firm more than $3 billion in debt.

Rather than the “fantastic deal” that Trump has celebrated, financial experts say the filing, and Trump’s guarantee of the debt, marked the moment when his personal fortunes were most in jeopardy.

Around that time, Trump later told The Washington Post, he passed a beggar in New York and told his now ex-wife, model Marla Maples, “You see that man? Right now he’s worth $900 million more than me.”

For a lower interest rate and more time to make loan payments at the Taj Mahal, Trump struck a deal with his lenders, giving up half his ownership and equity in the casino that bore his name. He also agreed to a bank-set limit on his personal spending and sold his airline, the Trump Shuttle, and his 282-foot yacht, the Trump Princess, which he had bought a few years earlier from the Sultan of Brunei."

Do good businessmen make flaky deals which are only resolved by auctioning off their personal commodities and agreeing to spending limits?



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23 Feb 2016, 4:23 pm

The Washington Post is drivel, a garbage biased irrelevant paper.

Chapter 11 is part of business, it is a way to reorganize and renegotiate debt in an unprofitable venture in a way that keeps the business running instead of shutting the doors completely. Atlantic City went bust, gambling isn't a novelty in this country anymore and they don't have to go that far to find it, there wasn't anything you could do but Trump was smart enough to see the writing on the wall and divested from the area completely before it finally sank like the Titanic.

Like I said, I see nothing in Trump's record that doesn't suggest that he is an incredible businessman who took a lot of chances and risked his fortune to pursue something bigger. Trump was also a major figure in the USFL which was a football league in the 80s that tried to challenge the NFL when he was owner, the league didn't succeed it made it's make on sport's history and I can't knock someone for trying to compete and to try to compete with the NFL takes major cajones and probably a few screws loose. A big part of the reason these football players have what they have now is because of USFL and Trump because with a viable alternative the players who for so long were treated like cattle finally had some bargaining power and these guys are the ones sacrificing their bodies not the owner's so there were a lot of people making of money off football before they realized they actually had to pay and take care of these guys. I respect a guy that takes risks and is his own man instead the cowardly money hoarder which apparently you guys seem to prefer.



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23 Feb 2016, 4:28 pm

Jacoby wrote:
The Washington Post is drivel, a garbage biased irrelevant paper.

Chapter 11 is part of business, it is a way to reorganize and renegotiate debt in an unprofitable venture in a way that keeps the business running instead of shutting the doors completely. Atlantic City went bust, gambling isn't a novelty in this country anymore and they don't have to go that far to find it, there wasn't anything you could do but Trump was smart enough to see the writing on the wall and divested from the area completely before it finally sank like the Titanic.

Like I said, I see nothing in Trump's record that doesn't suggest that he is an incredible businessman who took a lot of chances and risked his fortune to pursue something bigger. Trump was also a major figure in the USFL which was a football league in the 80s that tried to challenge the NFL when he was owner, the league didn't succeed it made it's make on sport's history and I can't knock someone for trying to compete and to try to compete with the NFL takes major cajones and probably a few screws loose. A big part of the reason these football players have what they have now is because of USFL and Trump because with a viable alternative the players who for so long were treated like cattle finally had some bargaining power and these guys are the ones sacrificing their bodies not the owner's so there were a lot of people making of money off football before they realized they actually had to pay and take care of these guys. I respect a guy that takes risks and is his own man instead the cowardly money hoarder which apparently you guys seem to prefer.
I see a lot of words but nothing that refutes what I've indicated.

why would a good businessman make a deal that results in his near destitution?



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23 Feb 2016, 4:45 pm

Fugu wrote:
Jacoby wrote:
The Washington Post is drivel, a garbage biased irrelevant paper.

Chapter 11 is part of business, it is a way to reorganize and renegotiate debt in an unprofitable venture in a way that keeps the business running instead of shutting the doors completely. Atlantic City went bust, gambling isn't a novelty in this country anymore and they don't have to go that far to find it, there wasn't anything you could do but Trump was smart enough to see the writing on the wall and divested from the area completely before it finally sank like the Titanic.

Like I said, I see nothing in Trump's record that doesn't suggest that he is an incredible businessman who took a lot of chances and risked his fortune to pursue something bigger. Trump was also a major figure in the USFL which was a football league in the 80s that tried to challenge the NFL when he was owner, the league didn't succeed it made it's make on sport's history and I can't knock someone for trying to compete and to try to compete with the NFL takes major cajones and probably a few screws loose. A big part of the reason these football players have what they have now is because of USFL and Trump because with a viable alternative the players who for so long were treated like cattle finally had some bargaining power and these guys are the ones sacrificing their bodies not the owner's so there were a lot of people making of money off football before they realized they actually had to pay and take care of these guys. I respect a guy that takes risks and is his own man instead the cowardly money hoarder which apparently you guys seem to prefer.
I see a lot of words but nothing that refutes what I've indicated.

why would a good businessman make a deal that results in his near destitution?


Because he didn't want to be completely broke? What is hard to understand? That is literally the point of chapter 11, if he didn't then he'd have toxic assets that are bleeding money. The alternative to chapter 11 is closing up shop and liquefying everything, then you've lost money and have nothing to show for it. The Trump Organization is now worth many billions of dollars and has a profit margin better than Apple, Trump made $650 million last year and employs thousands of people almost all here in the US so I think it is pretty silly to attack his business acumen when he and Ross Perot are obviously the most successful men to have ever run for the office of the presidency of the United States up until this point. Steve Jobs, Warren, Buffet, Mark Cuban, George Soros, Elon Musk, all these people have had businesses fail or go south as that's just part of doing business.

How many jobs did any of these other candidates ever create? What have they accomplished except playing dress up in congress and hollowing out our country from the inside?



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23 Feb 2016, 5:14 pm

Jacoby wrote:
Fugu wrote:
Jacoby wrote:
The Washington Post is drivel, a garbage biased irrelevant paper.

Chapter 11 is part of business, it is a way to reorganize and renegotiate debt in an unprofitable venture in a way that keeps the business running instead of shutting the doors completely. Atlantic City went bust, gambling isn't a novelty in this country anymore and they don't have to go that far to find it, there wasn't anything you could do but Trump was smart enough to see the writing on the wall and divested from the area completely before it finally sank like the Titanic.

Like I said, I see nothing in Trump's record that doesn't suggest that he is an incredible businessman who took a lot of chances and risked his fortune to pursue something bigger. Trump was also a major figure in the USFL which was a football league in the 80s that tried to challenge the NFL when he was owner, the league didn't succeed it made it's make on sport's history and I can't knock someone for trying to compete and to try to compete with the NFL takes major cajones and probably a few screws loose. A big part of the reason these football players have what they have now is because of USFL and Trump because with a viable alternative the players who for so long were treated like cattle finally had some bargaining power and these guys are the ones sacrificing their bodies not the owner's so there were a lot of people making of money off football before they realized they actually had to pay and take care of these guys. I respect a guy that takes risks and is his own man instead the cowardly money hoarder which apparently you guys seem to prefer.
I see a lot of words but nothing that refutes what I've indicated.

why would a good businessman make a deal that results in his near destitution?


Because he didn't want to be completely broke? What is hard to understand?
what's hard to understand is how you can reconcile 'good business strategy' with 'goes bankrupt 4 times in 18 years'



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23 Feb 2016, 6:55 pm

Fugu wrote:
Jacoby wrote:
Fugu wrote:
Jacoby wrote:
The Washington Post is drivel, a garbage biased irrelevant paper.

Chapter 11 is part of business, it is a way to reorganize and renegotiate debt in an unprofitable venture in a way that keeps the business running instead of shutting the doors completely. Atlantic City went bust, gambling isn't a novelty in this country anymore and they don't have to go that far to find it, there wasn't anything you could do but Trump was smart enough to see the writing on the wall and divested from the area completely before it finally sank like the Titanic.

Like I said, I see nothing in Trump's record that doesn't suggest that he is an incredible businessman who took a lot of chances and risked his fortune to pursue something bigger. Trump was also a major figure in the USFL which was a football league in the 80s that tried to challenge the NFL when he was owner, the league didn't succeed it made it's make on sport's history and I can't knock someone for trying to compete and to try to compete with the NFL takes major cajones and probably a few screws loose. A big part of the reason these football players have what they have now is because of USFL and Trump because with a viable alternative the players who for so long were treated like cattle finally had some bargaining power and these guys are the ones sacrificing their bodies not the owner's so there were a lot of people making of money off football before they realized they actually had to pay and take care of these guys. I respect a guy that takes risks and is his own man instead the cowardly money hoarder which apparently you guys seem to prefer.
I see a lot of words but nothing that refutes what I've indicated.

why would a good businessman make a deal that results in his near destitution?


Because he didn't want to be completely broke? What is hard to understand?
what's hard to understand is how you can reconcile 'good business strategy' with 'goes bankrupt 4 times in 18 years'


It's pretty easy to I reconcile it since he's worth $10 billion, him getting off the mat and making a new fortune is a good thing. If I were illiterate at how business works then maybe I'd hold those chapter 11s against him but I do and I know it's a completely nonsense criticism and one that will get laughed at on a national stage if the democrats are stupid enough to go that route. Trump is a billionaire, he has created jobs and employs tens of thousands of people, and he did it buy building things and taking chances not by hoarding it and manipulating the market or like the politicians when they retire who sit on all these boards where they get paid back for doing the bidding of they dif for their corporate masters all their years in office.

Hillary Clinton is a very rich person and hasn't created a job in her life besides of those that have been hired to investigate her corruption and questionable ethics, I guess she did turn like a $1000 investment into $100,000 in 10 months back in the 70s on "cattle futures" if you believe that when she had never made a trade in her life hahahaha. Quid pro quo, the Clinton Foundation is being investigated by the FBI too for public corruption since it seems very likely that foreign entities paid for access to Hillary as Secretary of State. Huge huge conflicts of interest, makes no sense. Why would you want somebody who should be in prison to be president of the United States?



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23 Feb 2016, 7:13 pm

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