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28 Apr 2016, 12:07 pm

I don't like the idea of a wall,didn't like what he said about Muslims or that women should be punished for abortions.
On the other hand,I don't like the fact that Hill and Obama support dirty energy.There isn't any such thing as clean coal and fracking just sucks.I just watched Gasland 2 and was dismayed to see that both Obama and Hill have supported more drilling for gas all over the globe.Its a very informative documentary,everyone should watch it.
As far as I know,Trump has never said much about the enviroment.I think pressure has been put on Hill to be more green becuse of Sanders.
Sanders is the only candidate that has the same values that I have.I'm saddened that he probably won't make it.
If Trump was more vocal about the enviroment than maybe he could sway my vote.


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28 Apr 2016, 12:09 pm

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Over here in the UK everyone I have spoken to genuinely thinks Trump swings between being really looney and prospectively a very scary prospect for the world as a POTUS. I am not making this up to support any argument i promise I have not met one person over here who doesn`t think he`s a megalomaniac

The only slight relief is that there realistically is a large majority of sane Americans who will ultimately vote him down.
I even see Republicans voting against him or abstaining.

I would even have Dubya in preference to Trump (that is saying something!) as at least that chimp had advisors ... Trump does not really listen to anyone.

At the moment Trump is gaining a large majority of a significant but small minority who will not ultimately gain enough votes over the US to win.... especially without Republican backing.

Still scares me though because crazy s**t happens in US elections ... remember Bush and the `hanging chads` craziness


The people in the UK have very little idea of what Trump actually stands for and what someone like Hillary and Obama stand for, what you get is media caricatures. Tell me what specifically scares you sooooo much about Trump? What is it that you are hearing about Trump that is so bad? I really am curious.

I know socialism is a lot more popular with you lot but Trump's economic policies aren't that of your typical Republican so you can't play the heartless rich person card and he doesn't want to US to play world police or nation builder, sounds pretty good to me. Trump has plenty of advisors, he listens to people, he always tries to put the best people around him and he wouldn't do that unless he valued their opinions. Just because he doesn't have the same advisors that led us into the War in Iraq and the financial collapse of 2008 doesn't mean he doesn't listen to anyone. He just doesn't listen to discredited losers like Karl Rove, Bill Kristol, Charles Krauthammer, George Will, Glenn Beck, etc.

You're going to be in for a big surprise this November by the way, just you wait!



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28 Apr 2016, 12:27 pm

Here's the problem - intellectuals have little to no chance of victory in an election dominated ridicule, exaggeration, hyperbole, and hypocrisy. A person who can appeal to nationalism, racism, and sexism stands a better chance of winning the election than a person who appeals to reason, facts, fairness, and common sense.

Mr. Trump will likely win because he speaks the loudest and the most often. His rhetoric appeals to working-class people who lost their jobs because they could not compete with cheaper immigrants and overseas labor. He appeals to religious conservatives who fear losing their influence to science-minded individuals. He appeals to the Patriarchs who fear loss of control over educated and intelligent women. He appeals to Big Business because he wants to do away with government regulation. Finally, he appeals to bullies who hate the concept of political correctness, and who just want to pound people into the ground for being different.

Mr. Trump is likely to win the White House for these reasons, and not for any realistic qualifications.



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28 Apr 2016, 12:37 pm

I kinda know what you are getting at Jacoby, I think that many of Trumps policies have a liberal twang, he is not typical hard right and he does appeal to the disgruntled voter in many ways.
He has managed to appear anti-status quo, anti Washington `career` politics.
I do get this and can see how the concept is superficially attractive to many disenfranchised working folk.

But believe me my friend..... Trump will tell you whatever the hell you want to hear to get him into power.. scratch the veneer and it is clear that he is out for love of himself whatever this weeks pretence.

Do not trust this guy,, he has the smell of suphur about him and there is a touch of darkness beneath the primped hair.
This guy is not a caring person, he has selfish oozing from every pore... how the heck did he get where he is today without being really selfish and walking all over other people?

We have known about Trump for a long time over here since the 1980s, the Scots kicked him out of Scotland over his Golf course only recently, he really is a self created parody.

I sympathise with the urge for fairer politics but this is not the guy, he is not the real deal, he is a self branded demigod.

Nevertheless I do hope that after this election US can work towards a fairer more people orientated and less distant politics, so good luck to you all at the end of the day... but please save us from Trump!



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28 Apr 2016, 12:44 pm

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I don't like the idea of a wall,didn't like what he said about Muslims or that women should be punished for abortions.
On the other hand,I don't like the fact that Hill and Obama support dirty energy.There isn't any such thing as clean coal and fracking just sucks.I just watched Gasland 2 and was dismayed to see that both Obama and Hill have supported more drilling for gas all over the globe.Its a very informative documentary,everyone should watch it.
As far as I know,Trump has never said much about the enviroment.I think pressure has been put on Hill to be more green becuse of Sanders.
Sanders is the only candidate that has the same values that I have.I'm saddened that he probably won't make it.
If Trump was more vocal about the enviroment than maybe he could sway my vote.


Perhaps you should vote for the Green Party then but certainly not Hillary, most poor folk from rural coal areas want those mines to open back up and I believe the US has the largest coal reserves in the world as well as natural gas. America is rich with resources and I believe they can be utilized without destroying the environment but we can't have this knee jerk hatred of fossil fuels since they are not going anywhere soon. I think alternative energies should be promoted for individuals, a lot more of a personal use of electricity can come from home solar systems and I believe Germany has done this extensively. Things like street lights and vending machines could easily be powered that way, there are a lot things that can take stress off the grid. Fracking and coal just aren't going anywhere any time soon, right now it doesn't even matter since there is a global glut of crud oil right now due to the Saudis flooding the market as part of economic warfare against their potential competitors.

What about the wall bothers you? Do you believe we should have a secure border that enforces immigration policy instead of letting in millions of people we have no the hell idea are? They've been talking about this wall or fence for decades now and they've never followed thru, the majority of Americans support this and that is part of the reason they are so angry. We've been promised a secure border every time they come up and say we need 'pathway for citizenship' for these millions of people but all that happens is that millions and millions more come. It's unsustainable, already way too many people live in California for it's environment to support them. Illegal immigration has been an environmental disaster. Walls do work, look at Hungary. I believe we should have a lot more of military guarding our border hear at home rather than guarding the border between Pakistan and Afghanistan. Drug legalization needs to happen but that's a slow process and there a literal platoons of heavily armed cartel soldiers that walk drugs across our border and god help whoever finds themselves in the wrong place at the wrong time. Mexico is sending Central Americans(who their racist elites hypocritically despise) on trains to the US border by the thousands. We cannot allow this to continue happening, Mexico is a very rich country and one of the most racist on the planet. I know one of those paler conquistador Mexicans, who hates Trump for what he said about Mexicans because she doesn't want to be associated with the people from southern Mexico or central America so in around about way she agrees with Trump and was just mad she got lumped in with those "bad people" they don't like. Trump would be the greatest thing to ever happen to Mexico, it would finally force its people to stand up and take their government back from racist corrupt elites that run that country which is RIFE with human rights abuses perpetrated directly or indirectly by the government. Remember those 40 or so student protesters that just vanished the other year?

Trump doesn't believe women should be punished for abortions, watch the clip and you'll see it's Chris Matthews doing his typical shtick pestering and leading to the answer he wants. Remember Trump is the only Republican running that didn't want to defund Planned Parenthood which is something I personally support FWIW Soundbites really shouldn't determine who you vote for, look at the actions and the context.

Trump's proposal for a temporary ban on Muslims from entering the United States is extreme but we face an extreme enemy and I see what he saying there more to contrast himself from Barak Obama and other Democrats who won't even name who we are fighting against. We are waging a war against radical Islam, we need to stop pretending we aren't. We could destroy the leadership of ISIS, al-Qaeda, the Taliban, Boko Haram, al-Shaabab, etc and it wouldn't make a difference since these same extremists would pop up somewhere else with a different name. It's not an issue isolated to just the Middle East and now Europe has permanently sacrificed its security by bringing in this fifth column that does not integrate or moderate but only becomes more insular and extreme with passing generations. That is what is happening in Europe right now and that's what we need to avoid, we have a tiny taste of this up in Minneapolis with the Somali refugees which something like 50 of them have gone and tried to fight for ISIS. Less than 250 Americans are thought to have fought with ISIS(compare that with the more than 500 from tiny Belgium) The US should not take Sunni Muslim refugees from countries with active jihadist movements, you can be more specific. I believe the US is completely with in its right to decide who can come this country, we've set caps before.



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28 Apr 2016, 12:51 pm

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Here's the problem - intellectuals have little to no chance of victory in an election dominated ridicule, exaggeration, hyperbole, and hypocrisy. A person who can appeal to nationalism, racism, and sexism stands a better chance of winning the election than a person who appeals to reason, facts, fairness, and common sense.

Mr. Trump will likely win because he speaks the loudest and the most often. His rhetoric appeals to working-class people who lost their jobs because they could not compete with cheaper immigrants and overseas labor. He appeals to religious conservatives who fear losing their influence to science-minded individuals. He appeals to the Patriarchs who fear loss of control over educated and intelligent women. He appeals to Big Business because he wants to do away with government regulation. Finally, he appeals to bullies who hate the concept of political correctness, and who just want to pound people into the ground for being different.

Mr. Trump is likely to win the White House for these reasons, and not for any realistic qualifications.


You say this like elections have ever been decided on intellectualism, what Trump is doing is no different other than his disregard for political correctness but that is what allows him to do what he does. If he came in the race acting like Jeb Bush, he would of gotten destroyed. A demagogue is the only way to break thru the entrenched establishment that controls the flow of information, these so called intellectuals are just bodyguards to the current order. Trump has to be the way he is because that is how you win in a system designed to keep you out.

I could go thru what Hillary stands for; more wars, more debt, more police state, open borders, and a complete lack of transparency. How did she become rich again? She owes A LOT of favors.



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28 Apr 2016, 12:59 pm

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Time for a joke to lighten the mood.

Hillary and Bill stopped at a gas station to fill the car up.The man pumping the gas knew Hillary,had dated her in high school.When they were leaving Bill said,"Hillary,aren't you glad you married me instead of him, you're married to the President."Hillary's response."Bill,if I had married him,he'd be the president now."

I don't like Hill,but I will vote for her over Trump.I really wanted Sanders,but that may not happen.
Shes not a nice person in real life.How do I know? My sister in law worked for Rose law firm.I met Hillary when Bill was campaigning against Frank White,she seems nice enough when you meet her,but she's a barracuda.
One thing I will always remember,I almost spilled my Coke (not the drug lol,but the beverage)on Clinton.

Whitewater did stink to high heaven.


That's my opinion of her, exactly. I'll vote for her, but only because Trump or Cruz represent a worse evil, but Bernie will always be in my heart. :lol:


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28 Apr 2016, 1:01 pm

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I kinda know what you are getting at Jacoby, I think that many of Trumps policies have a liberal twang, he is not typical hard right and he does appeal to the disgruntled voter in many ways.
He has managed to appear anti-status quo, anti Washington `career` politics.
I do get this and can see how the concept is superficially attractive to many disenfranchised working folk.

But believe me my friend..... Trump will tell you whatever the hell you want to hear to get him into power.. scratch the veneer and it is clear that he is out for love of himself whatever this weeks pretence.

Do not trust this guy,, he has the smell of suphur about him and there is a touch of darkness beneath the primped hair.
This guy is not a caring person, he has selfish oozing from every pore... how the heck did he get where he is today without being really selfish and walking all over other people?

We have known about Trump for a long time over here since the 1980s, the Scots kicked him out of Scotland over his Golf course only recently, he really is a self created parody.

I sympathise with the urge for fairer politics but this is not the guy, he is not the real deal, he is a self branded demigod.

Nevertheless I do hope that after this election US can work towards a fairer more people orientated and less distant politics, so good luck to you all at the end of the day... but please save us from Trump!


Can you name anything? A policy? You say these things like the other candidates are more trustworthy or less egotistical but that couldn't be further from the truth. I don't understand how anybody could vote for Hillary Clinton over Donald Trump unless they are invested in the status quo which I sure the hell am not. The Clintons are the greatest liars in history, that is their entire persona. 'I DID NOT HAVE SEXUAL RELATIONS WITH THAT WOMAN', 'IT DEPENDS ON WHAT THE DEFINITION OF IS IS" these people are the worst. They are literally corrupt and belong in prison.

I don't want a leader that's going to go play paddy cake and take selfies at these summits, I want a real leader that stands up for American interests. Not the interests of Goldman Sachs, not the interests of Saudi Arabia, not the interests Military Industrial Complex.



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28 Apr 2016, 1:06 pm

Since no one can stop me from voting for the candidate of my choice, I will vote for Mrs. Clinton, and I don't have to justify my choice to anyone!



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28 Apr 2016, 1:07 pm

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Misslizard wrote:
Time for a joke to lighten the mood.

Hillary and Bill stopped at a gas station to fill the car up.The man pumping the gas knew Hillary,had dated her in high school.When they were leaving Bill said,"Hillary,aren't you glad you married me instead of him, you're married to the President."Hillary's response."Bill,if I had married him,he'd be the president now."

I don't like Hill,but I will vote for her over Trump.I really wanted Sanders,but that may not happen.
Shes not a nice person in real life.How do I know? My sister in law worked for Rose law firm.I met Hillary when Bill was campaigning against Frank White,she seems nice enough when you meet her,but she's a barracuda.
One thing I will always remember,I almost spilled my Coke (not the drug lol,but the beverage)on Clinton.

Whitewater did stink to high heaven.


Too bad it wasn't hot coffee.

My question is why? Why would you vote for Hillary over Trump? What is so good about Hillary that makes her better than Trump? I see no upside at all with her, at least with Trump change will come one way or another. Trump is not a criminal, he's obviously a good father, he has good relationships with all his ex-wives, he's not a religious cuckoo, he's not a money manipulator, he's not beholden to the special interests that OWN Hillary Clinton.

Stephen Miller, former aid to Jeff Sessions and not to Trump, gave a rousing speech the other day at rally in Indianapolis that hyped me up. Trump puts the best and brightest around him, I believe that he truly loves this country and wants to WIN WIN WIN! Trump isn't running for president to lose, he doesn't want the title of president, he doesn't want to be someone that drives this country into the ground, his ego will not allow that and I believe would do everything in his power to be best possible president he can be because that is his personality.



Trump's senior policy advisor, not someone you'd expect to be able to control a room like that. He has a bright future, so does Trump's children who all good looking and intelligent. I heard Don Jr talk the other day, these people are sharp sharp sharp and I think it's a great family and brand.


I don't know anything about Jeff Seccions' aid, but Seccions himself is a racist pr*ck. He's the last person whose endorsement would mean anything to me.


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28 Apr 2016, 1:17 pm

Why do you say Sessions is racist? What did he do? Those smears Joe Biden did back in the day to Reagan's court nominations are exactly why Obama won't even get a hearing on filling the vacancy, Joe Biden did more to destroy the court than anybody else. It seems like Biden had an issue with EVERYBODY a Republican nominated and made it as personal as possible. I don't think most people even knew who Sessions was before he endorsed Trump by the way, he's a sitting US senator and has credibility on the immigration issue so he was a valuable endorsement. I don't like Sessions' positions on almost everything but he's taking his medicine right now with Trump as he know is being forced to admit the mistake that Iraq was that he was such a fervent supporter of.

I just liked the speech Trump's senior policy advisor Stephen Miller gave, had nothing to do with Senator Sessions regardless.



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28 Apr 2016, 1:19 pm

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Why do you say Sessions is racist? What did he do? Those smears Joe Biden did back in the day to Reagan's court nominations are exactly why Obama won't even get a hearing on filling the vacancy, Joe Biden did more to destroy the court than anybody else. It seems like Biden had an issue with EVERYBODY a Republican nominated and made it as personal as possible. I don't think most people even knew who Sessions was before he endorsed Trump by the way, he's a sitting US senator and has credibility on the immigration issue so he was a valuable endorsement. I don't like Sessions' positions on almost everything but he's taking his medicine right now with Trump as he know is being forced to admit the mistake that Iraq was that he was such a fervent supporter of.

I just liked the speech Trump's senior policy advisor Stephen Miller gave, had nothing to do with Senator Sessions regardless.


Who says what Biden said were smears? I find the personal charges against Sessions to be credible.


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28 Apr 2016, 1:29 pm

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Why do you say Sessions is racist? What did he do? Those smears Joe Biden did back in the day to Reagan's court nominations are exactly why Obama won't even get a hearing on filling the vacancy, Joe Biden did more to destroy the court than anybody else. It seems like Biden had an issue with EVERYBODY a Republican nominated and made it as personal as possible. I don't think most people even knew who Sessions was before he endorsed Trump by the way, he's a sitting US senator and has credibility on the immigration issue so he was a valuable endorsement. I don't like Sessions' positions on almost everything but he's taking his medicine right now with Trump as he know is being forced to admit the mistake that Iraq was that he was such a fervent supporter of.

I just liked the speech Trump's senior policy advisor Stephen Miller gave, had nothing to do with Senator Sessions regardless.


Who says what Biden said were smears? I find the personal charges against Sessions to be credible.


Sessions was qualified, Biden smeared him personally so now it's pretty funny with the shoe on the other foot. You would find any accusation against a Republican to be credible and those accusations really weren't anything that bad. He made an offensive joke, one that I actually laughed at reading, and made some off color comments. Who cares? He still did his job. Biden smeared everyone Republicans nominated to the court, he attacked them personally and not their credentials or even their beliefs much.



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28 Apr 2016, 2:05 pm

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I don't like the idea of a wall,didn't like what he said about Muslims or that women should be punished for abortions.
On the other hand,I don't like the fact that Hill and Obama support dirty energy.There isn't any such thing as clean coal and fracking just sucks.I just watched Gasland 2 and was dismayed to see that both Obama and Hill have supported more drilling for gas all over the globe.Its a very informative documentary,everyone should watch it.
As far as I know,Trump has never said much about the enviroment.I think pressure has been put on Hill to be more green becuse of Sanders.
Sanders is the only candidate that has the same values that I have.I'm saddened that he probably won't make it.
If Trump was more vocal about the enviroment than maybe he could sway my vote.


Perhaps you should vote for the Green Party then but certainly not Hillary, most poor folk from rural coal areas want those mines to open back up and I believe the US has the largest coal reserves in the world as well as natural gas. America is rich with resources and I believe they can be utilized without destroying the environment but we can't have this knee jerk hatred of fossil fuels since they are not going anywhere soon. I think alternative energies should be promoted for individuals, a lot more of a personal use of electricity can come from home solar systems and I believe Germany has done this extensively. Things like street lights and vending machines could easily be powered that way, there are a lot things that can take stress off the grid. Fracking and coal just aren't going anywhere any time soon, right now it doesn't even matter since there is a global glut of crud oil right now due to the Saudis flooding the market as part of economic warfare against their potential competitors.

What about the wall bothers you? Do you believe we should have a secure border that enforces immigration policy instead of letting in millions of people we have no the hell idea are? They've been talking about this wall or fence for decades now and they've never followed thru, the majority of Americans support this and that is part of the reason they are so angry. We've been promised a secure border every time they come up and say we need 'pathway for citizenship' for these millions of people but all that happens is that millions and millions more come. It's unsustainable, already way too many people live in California for it's environment to support them. Illegal immigration has been an environmental disaster. Walls do work, look at Hungary. I believe we should have a lot more of military guarding our border hear at home rather than guarding the border between Pakistan and Afghanistan. Drug legalization needs to happen but that's a slow process and there a literal platoons of heavily armed cartel soldiers that walk drugs across our border and god help whoever finds themselves in the wrong place at the wrong time. Mexico is sending Central Americans(who their racist elites hypocritically despise) on trains to the US border by the thousands. We cannot allow this to continue happening, Mexico is a very rich country and one of the most racist on the planet. I know one of those paler conquistador Mexicans, who hates Trump for what he said about Mexicans because she doesn't want to be associated with the people from southern Mexico or central America so in around about way she agrees with Trump and was just mad she got lumped in with those "bad people" they don't like. Trump would be the greatest thing to ever happen to Mexico, it would finally force its people to stand up and take their government back from racist corrupt elites that run that country which is RIFE with human rights abuses perpetrated directly or indirectly by the government. Remember those 40 or so student protesters that just vanished the other year?

Trump doesn't believe women should be punished for abortions, watch the clip and you'll see it's Chris Matthews doing his typical shtick pestering and leading to the answer he wants. Remember Trump is the only Republican running that didn't want to defund Planned Parenthood which is something I personally support FWIW Soundbites really shouldn't determine who you vote for, look at the actions and the context.

Trump's proposal for a temporary ban on Muslims from entering the United States is extreme but we face an extreme enemy and I see what he saying there more to contrast himself from Barak Obama and other Democrats who won't even name who we are fighting against. We are waging a war against radical Islam, we need to stop pretending we aren't. We could destroy the leadership of ISIS, al-Qaeda, the Taliban, Boko Haram, al-Shaabab, etc and it wouldn't make a difference since these same extremists would pop up somewhere else with a different name. It's not an issue isolated to just the Middle East and now Europe has permanently sacrificed its security by bringing in this fifth column that does not integrate or moderate but only becomes more insular and extreme with passing generations. That is what is happening in Europe right now and that's what we need to avoid, we have a tiny taste of this up in Minneapolis with the Somali refugees which something like 50 of them have gone and tried to fight for ISIS. Less than 250 Americans are thought to have fought with ISIS(compare that with the more than 500 from tiny Belgium) The US should not take Sunni Muslim refugees from countries with active jihadist movements, you can be more specific. I believe the US is completely with in its right to decide who can come this country, we've set caps before.

I'd vote green but I'd be throwing my vote away.Coal mines are better than mountain top removal.But it's cheaper to take a mountain apart than to make sure the miners have a safe working environment.We have fracking here,it caused earthquakes.For the first time in my life I saw furniture move and huge cracks in the drywall.I have shale all around me,now I'm nervous this area might be fracked.I have good water from my own well,I'd prefer it not to be flammable.Big coal has done nothing but exploit Appalachia,sure it provides jobs.But just look at the cost.Contaiment ponds with sludge breaking loose,black lung,crappy water,and wages that are jack s**t compared to the risk people take going into a mine to work.

A wall won't stop a determined person.They will just come on by boat .You are just relocating the problem instead of dealing with it like it should be.Legalize marijuana,punish the companies that hire and exploit the illegals.

I'm not sure how to deal with Isis,that's a real problem.The Muslims I know are not terrorists,one is a kindly elderly man from Iran who desperately tries to grow figs here where they don't grow.The only violence he feels is when squirrels eat the figs.No way would it be right to punish him for what extremists do.Muslim Americans are our first line of defense against extremists.We had one Muslim in the Ozarks communicating on Isis websites,she was turned in to the FBI by another Muslim.They will be the first to notice signs of radicalization.We shouldn't alienate them or make them feel they aren't Americans.
I'm aware of the racism that exists in Mexico.A friend's grandmother was of Spanish descent and she had made these fried meat pies,of course they had a Spanish name.Me in my ignorance remarked that I loved Mexican food.She hated me forever for something I said in ignorance.

I've been fortunate to make friends with people of different nationalities,I can't find it in my heart to dislike anyone that comes to America wanting a better life.I also understand that people don't like change,I don't.We don't like it here,but we are equal in our dislike.We don't want other Americans to move to Arkansas.lol No more newcomers.
All they do is complain,the roads are bad,the grocery store doesn't have our special brand of bottled water,the handyman didn't show up when he said he would.That's becuse the fish were biting and that's more important than any job.So we get called lazy and backward.Our accent gets mocked,we just get dissed all around.
So I can understand why people want a wall.We would like to wall our state off from the outside world.
Here any native Arkansan will stop and help you if you are broke down on the road,but not new people.They just drive on by.I was on the side of the road with a can of fix a flat and these people just blazed on by,out of state tags.I resisted the urge to hurl the can at them.Not the first time it's happened either.
The sad fact is humans migrate,just look at history.The Normans invaded England,the Roman Empire was invaded by different tribes.Its just the way it is.History repeats itself.


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28 Apr 2016, 2:48 pm

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I'd vote green but I'd be throwing my vote away.Coal mines are better than mountain top removal.But it's cheaper to take a mountain apart than to make sure the miners have a safe working environment.We have fracking here,it caused earthquakes.For the first time in my life I saw furniture move and huge cracks in the drywall.I have shale all around me,now I'm nervous this area might be fracked.I have good water from my own well,I'd prefer it not to be flammable.Big coal has done nothing but exploit Appalachia,sure it provides jobs.But just look at the cost.Contaiment ponds with sludge breaking loose,black lung,crappy water,and wages that are jack s**t compared to the risk people take going into a mine to work.

A wall won't stop a determined person.They will just come on by boat .You are just relocating the problem instead of dealing with it like it should be.Legalize marijuana,punish the companies that hire and exploit the illegals.

I'm not sure how to deal with Isis,that's a real problem.The Muslims I know are not terrorists,one is a kindly elderly man from Iran who desperately tries to grow figs here where they don't grow.The only violence he feels is when squirrels eat the figs.No way would it be right to punish him for what extremists do.Muslim Americans are our first line of defense against extremists.We had one Muslim in the Ozarks communicating on Isis websites,she was turned in to the FBI by another Muslim.They will be the first to notice signs of radicalization.We shouldn't alienate them or make them feel they aren't Americans.
I'm aware of the racism that exists in Mexico.A friend's grandmother was of Spanish descent and she had made these fried meat pies,of course they had a Spanish name.Me in my ignorance remarked that I loved Mexican food.She hated me forever for something I said in ignorance.

I've been fortunate to make friends with people of different nationalities,I can't find it in my heart to dislike anyone that comes to America wanting a better life.I also understand that people don't like change,I don't.We don't like it here,but we are equal in our dislike.We don't want other Americans to move to Arkansas.lol No more newcomers.
All they do is complain,the roads are bad,the grocery store doesn't have our special brand of bottled water,the handyman didn't show up when he said he would.That's becuse the fish were biting and that's more important than any job.So we get called lazy and backward.Our accent gets mocked,we just get dissed all around.
So I can understand why people want a wall.We would like to wall our state off from the outside world.
Here any native Arkansan will stop and help you if you are broke down on the road,but not new people.They just drive on by.I was on the side of the road with a can of fix a flat and these people just blazed on by,out of state tags.I resisted the urge to hurl the can at them.Not the first time it's happened either.
The sad fact is humans migrate,just look at history.The Normans invaded England,the Roman Empire was invaded by different tribes.Its just the way it is.History repeats itself.

Thank you for taking the time out of your day to write a thought out response, I appreciate this even if we disagree because a lot of people on this site will not do this. Just because two people disagree doesn't mean they can't get along and treat each other with dignity and respect. We're not running for office, we're not on the floor of the Senate, what we individually think doesn't really matter in the grand scheme of things so it is best to try not too take ourselves too seriously.

For what it is worth, I have always maintained that the Muslim population of the United States which is relatively small and spread out are model immigrants who have higher household incomes and are more educated the general population. Most of these people have integrated into their communities beautifully, their children(most at least) are just as integrated into American culture as you or I. These people really are not the problem, these people are almost all professionals or business owners. I can honestly say my interactions with Muslims from this country has been mostly good altho they drive like insane people. 8O

Europe is where the problem is and as long as we don't import millions of refugees that we have no idea who they are from areas where the population is extremely anti-western and of the same branch of Islam that has spawn these terrorist groups. ISIS controls the printing press, they can invent entire families if they want and they claim they have and why shouldn't we believe them? We saw what happened in Paris and Brussels. We could be very specific about what demographic poses that the threat hides amongst and that is Sunni Muslims most specifically from Arabia but it's a problem all over the Sunni world almost I'm not totally opposed to taking in refugees that are minorities in their lands that face genocide like the Christians, Yazidi, and Shia because they do not pose a domestic threat but these Sunni Arabs from Iraq and Syria are the base behind ISIS and we take them in at our own risk. It can be more targeted so it doesn't sound as offensive but it is at least one idea of trying to make this country safer. What Angela Merkel did to her country didn't make her country safer, it's made the whole continent worse off.

If we are to have a country then we need borders, do we want a safety net and public utilities or should go by the wayside to accommodate these new people? We haven't solved poverty or income inequality in this country, our infrastructure is crumbling, our schools are garbage, wages have been stagnant for 40 years and big part of that is because of this invasion of cheap third world labor. We need to guard our quality of life, the American worker should not have to compete with slaves in a race to the bottom. We need to guard Western Civilization from those that wish to destroy it, foreign and domestic.

As for the wall not completely stopping illegal immigration, it would definitely have an impact on the human and drug trafficking and it would stop people that who we have no idea are from entering this country. There is a serious problem with our work programs and 'legal immigration', H1b's are a major issue this election. Our immigration issues are going to need a multifaceted approach is they are going to be solved, I just signed a new lease the other day and will be moving soon but they asked for so much information from me I started to wonder how do illegal immigrants find places to live? Perhaps we should go after the landlords that rent to illegals, have occupants pass e-verify like they do with jobs. Turning off the spigot is what needs to be done, that is what will punish these businesses the most because the reality is that these businesses are too rich and too powerful to go after individually so you take away their favorite toys and tools.



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28 Apr 2016, 3:16 pm

I have been asking "are you scared yet?" on WP for a few months now.
Just so you know I`m not making this up how we feel outsied the USA here is an article from today called:

President Trump fills world leaders with fear: 'It's gone from funny to really scary"

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/apr/28/donald-trump-president-world-leaders-foreign-relations

it begins... Most of the world seems to agree a Donald Trump presidency is a disturbing possibility that would inflict unthinkable damage,

I could argue that even the global fear of this potential insecurity is damage enough if Trump gets in.

Does the US really want us to be afraid of them...... in that kind of way?
That is the kind of fear that Russia or China can engender.... not respect but `crazy `fear.