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29 May 2016, 2:54 am
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29 May 2016, 6:09 am
Xenosparadox wrote:
Non-nuclear explosions DO produce the kind of shaking and rattling that nuclear explosions do when detonated on the ground. What you are talking about is the *shock wave* produced by the detonation(where heated gases travel at supersonic speed).
Exhibit A, Dresden before:
Exhibit B, Dresden after:
Exhibit C, Hiroshima before:
Exhibit D, Hiroshima after:
So you can cleary see the difference in effects between the firebombing of Dresden and the atomic bombing of Hiroshima in terms of the blasts. Most of the building in Dresden have their brick/stone walls still standing and their foundations in place.
Another thing you should keep in mind is that the Hiroshima bombing was an AIRBURST detonated at an altitude of 500 feet. If it had struck the ground before exploding there would be more substantial shock wave damage and seismic wave propagation.
What Ban-Dodger says though, I believe has some degree of truth to it.
History is reported by the victors, and it's already been massively debunked that the government has propoganda to hide or remove information that may make the public fear or hate them.
For christ's sake, even the original bombings were censored or hidden from the American people for some time.
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During the war "annihilationist and exterminationalist rhetoric" was tolerated at all levels of U.S. society; according to the British embassy in Washington the Americans regarded the Japanese as "a nameless mass of vermin".[221] Caricatures depicting Japanese as less than human, e.g. monkeys, were common.[221] A 1944 opinion poll that asked what should be done with Japan found that 13% of the U.S. public were in favor of "killing off" all Japanese men, women, and children.[222][223]
A member of the U.S. Strategic Bombing Survey, Lieutenant Daniel McGovern, used a film crew to document the results in early 1946.[230] The film crew's work resulted in a three-hour documentary entitled The Effects of the Atomic Bombs Against Hiroshima and Nagasaki. The documentary included images from hospitals showing the human effects of the bomb; it showed burned out buildings and cars, and rows of skulls and bones on the ground. It was classified "secret" for the next 22 years.[231] During this time in America, it was a common practice for editors to keep graphic images of death out of films, magazines, and newspapers.[232] The total of 90,000 ft (27,000 m) of film shot by McGovern's cameramen had not been fully aired as of 2009. According to Greg Mitchell, with the 2004 documentary film Original Child Bomb, a small part of that footage managed to reach part of the American public "in the unflinching and powerful form its creators intended".[230]
Motion picture company Nippon Eigasha started sending cameramen to Nagasaki and Hiroshima in September 1945. On October 24, 1945, a U.S. military policeman stopped a Nippon Eigasha cameraman from continuing to film in Nagasaki. All Nippon Eigasha's reels were then confiscated by the American authorities. These reels were in turn requested by the Japanese government, declassified, and saved from oblivion. Some black-and-white motion pictures were released and shown for the first time to Japanese and American audiences in the years from 1968 to 1970.[230] The public release of film footage of the city post attack, and some research about the human effects of the attack, was restricted during the occupation of Japan, and much of this information was censored until the signing of the San Francisco Peace Treaty in 1951, restoring control to the Japanese.[233]
A member of the U.S. Strategic Bombing Survey, Lieutenant Daniel McGovern, used a film crew to document the results in early 1946.[230] The film crew's work resulted in a three-hour documentary entitled The Effects of the Atomic Bombs Against Hiroshima and Nagasaki. The documentary included images from hospitals showing the human effects of the bomb; it showed burned out buildings and cars, and rows of skulls and bones on the ground. It was classified "secret" for the next 22 years.[231] During this time in America, it was a common practice for editors to keep graphic images of death out of films, magazines, and newspapers.[232] The total of 90,000 ft (27,000 m) of film shot by McGovern's cameramen had not been fully aired as of 2009. According to Greg Mitchell, with the 2004 documentary film Original Child Bomb, a small part of that footage managed to reach part of the American public "in the unflinching and powerful form its creators intended".[230]
Motion picture company Nippon Eigasha started sending cameramen to Nagasaki and Hiroshima in September 1945. On October 24, 1945, a U.S. military policeman stopped a Nippon Eigasha cameraman from continuing to film in Nagasaki. All Nippon Eigasha's reels were then confiscated by the American authorities. These reels were in turn requested by the Japanese government, declassified, and saved from oblivion. Some black-and-white motion pictures were released and shown for the first time to Japanese and American audiences in the years from 1968 to 1970.[230] The public release of film footage of the city post attack, and some research about the human effects of the attack, was restricted during the occupation of Japan, and much of this information was censored until the signing of the San Francisco Peace Treaty in 1951, restoring control to the Japanese.[233]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atomic_bo ... censorship
They only first saw it in 1968, aka 23 years later.
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29 May 2016, 6:43 am
Outrider wrote:
I'm no military strategist, and I'm well aware Japan did successfully start to push through the United States defenses (Pearl Harbor and such), but surely there must be some way, some type of method or strategy, that could be implemented to ensure a stronger defense.
Part of the reason for Japan targeting Pearl Harbour was because Japan was provoked by how The United States cut off oil-supplies to Japan which was considered to be a direct-attack on the Japanese-Economy (and thus was starting to cause starvation to its people).
Outrider wrote:
What Ban-Dodger says though, I believe has some degree of truth to it.
History is reported by the victors, and it's already been massively debunked that the government has propoganda to hide or remove information that may make the public fear or hate them.
For christ's sake, even the original bombings were censored or hidden from the American people for some time.
History is reported by the victors, and it's already been massively debunked that the government has propoganda to hide or remove information that may make the public fear or hate them.
For christ's sake, even the original bombings were censored or hidden from the American people for some time.
Much as I may be a Tin-Foil Hat-Wearing Lunatic Insane So-Called Conspiracy Theorist Nutter who has gone off the Deep-End of any particular Rabbit-Hole, I know well-enough to question what I believe or come across, knowing that what I believe today may change tomorrow, but I do have to disregard certain claims of certain theories. Namely when anything has been claimed to be non-existent. I listened recently to a Remote-Viewing session of the target (Remote-View the Incident of Hiroshima), and the session did indeed describe some launching of some object directed at some target, dropped from some kind of aerial-device like perhaps an air-plane, with something like three or so men between their 20s and 40s, running something of a mission, with feelings that they felt what they were doing was necessary, and also mixed with feelings of some kind of pay-back for something, like a form of revenge.
The main reason I cannot accept claims that X or Y does not exist is due to my back-ground in having thoroughly studied and researched the subject of para-psychology (very strong cases were presented for the existence of various phenomenon that I used to think were non-existent or impossible or already de-bunked). Atomic-Bombs probably exist and Nuclear-Weapons probably exist also, but there are also other things that exist of which their existence seems to be suppressed, and Remote-Viewing Sessions of 9/11 seem to indicate and be on-target with much of what Dr. Judy Woods describes as Directed Energy Weapons... I actually came up with some similar ideas many years ago as to how I would go about destroying the entire planet. The entire world can actually be made to explode once the infra-structure has been set up to pull it off (and the infrastructure available to destroy everything on the planet has actually been in place since around the year 2000 by the way).
Xenosparadox wrote:
Non-nuclear explosions DO produce the kind of shaking and rattling that nuclear explosions do when detonated on the ground. What you are talking about is the *shock wave* produced by the detonation(where heated gases travel at supersonic speed).
Exhibit A, Dresden before:
Exhibit B, Dresden after:
Exhibit C, Hiroshima before:
Exhibit D, Hiroshima after:
So you can cleary see the difference in effects between the firebombing of Dresden and the atomic bombing of Hiroshima in terms of the blasts. Most of the building in Dresden have their brick/stone walls still standing and their foundations in place.
Another thing you should keep in mind is that the Hiroshima bombing was an AIRBURST detonated at an altitude of 500 feet. If it had struck the ground before exploding there would be more substantial shock wave damage and seismic wave propagation.
Exhibit A, Dresden before:
Exhibit B, Dresden after:
Exhibit C, Hiroshima before:
Exhibit D, Hiroshima after:
So you can cleary see the difference in effects between the firebombing of Dresden and the atomic bombing of Hiroshima in terms of the blasts. Most of the building in Dresden have their brick/stone walls still standing and their foundations in place.
Another thing you should keep in mind is that the Hiroshima bombing was an AIRBURST detonated at an altitude of 500 feet. If it had struck the ground before exploding there would be more substantial shock wave damage and seismic wave propagation.
Very well, I appreciate the efforts to bring this information to my paradigm, but now I will need some time to thoroughly study the images/photographs to see what kinds of other additional questions might come to mind...
29 May 2016, 7:31 am
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29 May 2016, 2:13 pm
2000 soldiers killed + 68 civilians killed doesn't justify 150000 civilian casualties, even if pearl harbor was a horrible event they should've targeted military bases, that would've worked to the same effect. Same with 9/11 
29 May 2016, 2:35 pm
J4RV15 wrote:
2000 soldiers killed + 68 civilians killed doesn't justify 150000 civilian casualties, even if pearl harbor was a horrible event they should've targeted military bases, that would've worked to the same effect. Same with 9/11
look up the Rape of Nanking
the Japanese had they been able to advance unimpeded would of taken Australia
they were a threat on par with the Nazis in Europe and did crimes just as unspeakable
it was a lot more than just revenge for their dastardly act of war at Pearl Harbor
Imperial Japan had to be destroyed
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