police violence and rape culture: 2 sides of the same coin?

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I am not sure what rape culture means. I have looked it up but still didn't understand it.

I know it's common for women to be raped and I could know someone at work right now who has been raped but no one ever talks about it so I wouldn't know which person I know has ever been raped or sexually assaulted. One poster above me stated they do but only mother has only told me she has been raped, no other female has ever told me, I have only seen them say it online. That topic seems taboo to even discuss and it's even rude to ask someone if they were ever raped unless you are a therapist or a doctor and they are your patient.

Statistics have shown that it's rare for a guy to be falsely accused of rape so that means when women say they have been raped, it's true 99% of the time. If a female lies about being raped, she is in the minority of someone who claims they were raped.

Also I once read an article online how many rapists have admitted they would rape a woman and that is without being directly asked if they would rape someone. Yes many of them said rape is wrong but yet they still admitted to it unknowingly? That just told me how oblivious rapists are and they are not aware they are raping someone. Very scary. It's like they have their own brain wiring. If someone is not aware they have raped a woman so now they are traumatized by the accusation, they need mental help and must learn what rape is and learn the word no and learn boundaries and how to respect women. For one start out with learning that to not ever have sex when someone is under the influence and no one can legally consent to sex while under the influence. And also no pressuring to have sex and the woman giving in is not consenting to it. No manipulation, that isn't consenting to it either when they decide to just have it with you. And if anyone out there is worried about being accused of rape, good. That means you are less likely to do it IMO.

Now I wonder if there is such thing as unintentional rape because imagine this scenery. A man and woman are dating. One day they go to his house and they lay on his bed and they are making out. Then all of a sudden the guy decides to lift her dress and touch her there. The woman is shocked but does nothing to stop him. The guy assumes she is consenting because he thinks if she didn't want him touching her there, she would have gabbed his hand to stop it. So he is rubbing her there and then he gets on top of her and goes inside her and the woman does nothing because she is too afraid what could happen if she said no. The man is assuming she is enjoying it because she doesn't look worried or scared. In fact it seems like she is enjoying it. Then they are done having it and they continue making out and the woman feels awkward the whole time. Then the man decides he has to head back home and tells her "I had a good time, we should do it again." The woman is silent and the man asks "Something wrong?" and the woman goes "No." The man thinks he misread her so he goes "Okay, for a moment it looked like something was wrong, have a good night, see you again."

Later in the week the man learns he is being accused of raping his partner and now he is all left confused and realizes "She lied to me, she said she was okay when I asked her. I thought something was wrong but she said she was fine" and he doesn't understand why she consented to sex and now is saying he raped her. So he comes up with speculations about what might have happened. Did she regret it so was that why she had that look on her face as he was leaving? Did she not want to have it but still chose to, why did she have it then if she didn't want it?



Yeah I have heard stores like this online from so called rapists and it also seems traumatizing for them. But then I think about the woman and how she probably felt during the whole thing. How do you handle cases like this? There was lack of communication, man reading his partner wrong and missing social cues, woman being afraid to set boundaries. People either support the guy and look down on the woman or people support the woman and look down on the guy. I can understand why many rape cases go unreported and why the woman would feel it's her fault so she tells no one.

It also wouldn't surprise me if people who get mad at the woman for reporting the rape or telling others about it are also against rape. They most likely believe the rapist's side and it could be they are friends with him or their family or know him or the guy has a good rep and seems loyal and nice so they would find it hard to believe he would rape someone.

I don't feel any of the things which Edenthiel mapped out as characteristic of "rape culture."

My denying there is "rape culture" does not make me complicit in the "rape culture." That's dead wrong.

To class rape as "prevalent", one would need to either compare it to rates of consensual sex, or demonstrate that it is widespread. Even if we accept one every 2 minutes in the US as legitimate, that's one rape per 500 women every year. I'd hardly call that pervasive, widespread or predominant. The page goes on to say:



To me, this only serves to paint the majority of women as victims of their own irrational fear. It also de facto claims to speak for all women, and on that basis alone I reject the entire premise from the outset.



I'm going to respond to each of these, despite recognising the fact that each and every single "example" here lacks supporting evidence, a logical qualifier or statistical data.



What percentage of people will utter either phrase upon hearing about a rape? The only time I hear either expression regarding victims of sexual assault is when anyone raises the subject of "rape culture". This appears to be straw rape culture.



Jokes are, by definition, jokes. Telling a sexually explicit joke is in no way a proclamation of support for rape.



The experience of others may vary, but mine has led me to the conclusion that sexual harassment is typically only tolerated when it's perpetrated against males.



Which is more harmful - being skeptical of statistics or pretending false rape accusations don't happen?



Forensic investigation plays an important role in crime solving and prevention.



Nonsense. There is no demonstrable correlation between violence in film and violence in the real world. Likewise with videogames.



When it comes to sexual relationships between a man and a woman, those are accurate definitions for a significant percentage of the population. If we apply the definitions beyond sexuality then there could certainly be grounds for complaint, though again this would not constitute evidence of a "rape culture".



These might certainly lead to greater promiscuity, but I'm not seeing how either would constitute a "rape culture".



Foolish as either assumption is, I'm not seeing how people making such assumptions constitutes a "rape culture".



By e.g. not doing a thorough forensic investigation designed to recreate the facts of the alleged crime as accurately as possible? This seems contradictory to the point about scrutiny.



We've been doing both for hundreds of years. This false dichotomy is potentially harmful at best, downright hateful and sexist at worst. It entirely depends on whose mouth it's spewing forth from. It is entirely reasonable to conclude that a person who posits this is of the opinion that men are inherently "rapey". This also contradicts the earlier example regarding submissive/dominant sexuality.



We live in a society in which even the worst element - convicted criminals - view sex offenders in a worse light than murderers. That's pretty telling in and of itself - though you could make a case for male-on-male rape culture within some prisons themselves, especially as prison rapes skew the ratio of male-to-female rape victims in 'favour' of the males.

We live in a society in which outrage and vitriol are commonly directed towards those who have been accused of raping, regardless of the accused's right to due process.

We live in a society in which our core principles have been codified into laws, the overwhelming majority of which are obeyed by the overwhelming majority of people the overwhelming majority of the time.

Any culture in which rape is clearly defined as illegal within such a legal framework is, by definition, unsupportive of rape.

We do not live in a rape culture, but I agree that there are sub-cultures whose attitudes towards a variety of moral and legal issues run counter to wider society.

N.B. it is my opinion that one rape is too many rapes, so I'll insist that anyone who chooses to respond kindly refrain from childish outbursts, histrionics and unfounded accusations.



Accurate statistics regarding rape have been obfuscated by politics, to a degree that is legitimately harmful to any efforts to support legitimate victims of rape or prevent rapes from happening. It's immaterial in any case. In 100% of cases where rape is reported in the US, the alleged rapist has the same legal rights as any other citizen. Or, put another way, presumption of innocence does not = "rape culture".



This would be an example of reasonable belief of consent (legally speaking), especially if - as you suggested - her demeanour during the act is one of seeming enjoyment. Whilst that would be a deeply unpleasant sexual experience, it most certainly could not be classed as rape.



If anything we're living in a victimhood culture.



It certainly is. Kafkatraps have been done to death. Gender trolls need to find some new material.

Oh, goody. A lengthy denial of women's experiences.
BTW, your opinions are equally without evidence, logical qualifiers, and statistical data.

Oh look, sexism. Reality is not partitioned into experiences based on intersectional ticky-boxes. Take your segregation narrative and pester someone else, thanks.



That which can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.

No, I won't shut up for you. And the idea that different people don't have different experiences is moronic.

I asked you not to pester me with your segregation narrative. That now extends to pestering me with logical fallacies and inconsistent nonsense. Thanks.

I'm not pestering anyone. I'm allowed to post here, and to reply to posts here.
If you don't like it when females speak, that's your problem.

Btw, thanks for demonstrating rape culture to everyone in multiple ways.

As a man, I never understood how rapists can even get erections during rape, you know...without any mutual flirting/caress...etc. The victim is either resisting, or giving up by fear (in case of an arm) or intoxicated.
(Probably there are rapists who use objects to violate a woman's body tho)

- there's something significantly different in their minds to be even physically able to do so (whether by nature or nurture, I dunno), there's something else that triggers their excitement, it's a sexual violation but its trigger isn't really sexual.
This is very important to understand and study because it debunks all myths related to women's way of dressing.

Your gender is immaterial to this discussion and rape culture is an infantile conceit.

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This by no means contains all the answers to what you're asking, but there's some interesting stuff on the psychology of rapists. New Studies Map the Mind of the Rapist

Unfortunately, men get erections during rape because these creeps get turned on by having POWER over women. And other, even more perverted things a lot of the time.

This goes beyond perverted. It's criminal (obviously).

My view of rapists is similar to the view held in prisons. They don't deserve to see the light of day.

I never understood the clothes thing. What did rape have to do with what the female had on? How was she asking for sex with what she had on?

Also rapists aren't always turned on by their victim but yet they still rape them. Like Kraftie said, it's all about power.

Supposedly, if a woman wears revealing clothes (like short shorts, things like that), she's causing men to be unduly turned on. As a result, she's "inviting" the rapist to rape her.

Yes, I've heard that viewpoint.

The majority don't follow that viewpoint, though. Anybody who believes this garbage should have their head examined.

So if someone were to be turned on by women who lack curves in their body and they lack normal sized breasts, she is causing someone to be turned on and is inviting anyone to rape her by being out in public.

Not according to that logic.

But please, please remember.....THIS IS NOT SOMETHING I BELIEVE IN.