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10 Aug 2016, 12:10 pm

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He's disavowed them plenty of times, what do you want him to do? Tell them not vote for him? That is beyond stupid and reaching to ends of the earth to find something to be outraged about. The only people that talk about the KKK or Nazis are the media and those that swallow their loud of BS. Trump is not a racist and his life is a testament to that, it's not a charge I think many people really believe.


He could try and find out what it is about him that appeals to them and quit feeding the fire of encouragement. Maybe less us vs. them speech perhaps when talking of different demographics within and outside this country.


Do you really believe he should of done that? It's silly I think, it's not his responsibility to police who supports him. What encouragement? It's just such a nonsense narrative, there is no way Trump can make someone "upset" by this happy because they made their mind before anything. Do you think Trump is personally racist? Do you think any specific policy of his is racist? If you want to have that argument then fine but attempting this form of racial McCarthyism is as shameful as it gets I think. This is a media obsession and one done for malicious reasons, this is a tried and true character assassination attempt on the media's account. They did the same thing to Ron Paul in his campaigns and nobody could cry crocodile tears about his rhetoric.



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10 Aug 2016, 12:19 pm

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tisk tisk, your bias is showing.

KKK and Nazis might support trump, but he has not said that he agrees with them or wants their vote. Should he deny their support in the first place? Well, yes, probably. I ASSUME they are costing him more votes than giving him, but I could easily be wrong about that, considering how much extra media attention he got from it. People outraged at trump remind me of my wife, always looking at people doing or saying stupid stuff on youtube videos and saying "WHY WOULD THEY THROW AWAY A THOUSAND DOLLAR IPAD?!?!" To which I reply "see those 10 million views? That's why. Other people are breaking their bones to get a fraction of that."

Now the important thing here, regarding how I said that you have a bias, is the people who support Hillary. BLM are racists and more recently terrorists, whos vote she is actually seeking. Third wave feminists are sexist and demand additional rights along with the suppression of mens rights, which clearly makes them sexists. In contrast, trump has only ever said "sexist" things in sense that he's more of a traditionalist like countless other people, or by insulting 1 or 2 specific woman. Neither of which is actually sexist like Hillary, in that she pretends to support 3rd wave feminist to get sexist votes. You actually think she supports woman? She would much rather make it illegal for a woman to be president AFTER her, so she can forever be the only one. But she will gladly pander to feminists before locking them in a closet with her husband.

Trump is also clearly not a racist (like BLM supporter hillary) based on the things that he said, since all he wants is for people of all races and religions to fill out the legal and proper paperwork before coming here. Oh, and he would like to put a temporary stop to a specific religion which happens to be the primary factor to other previously safe countries becoming terrorist states. This is only offensive to the opinion police otherwise known as SJWs, who think that it would be better for us to get blown up than to possibly offend some people that aren't even members of our own country by telling them that they have to go some where else instead of here.


I don't think all the countries attacks have occurred in are 'terrorist states' also there does need to be immigration policies to address people who might try to gain entry only to commit crimes or terrorism. However Trump seems to be on the whole 'if it looks middle eastern it should be assumed they are a terrorist muslim ISIS supporter.' which doesn't seem conductive. I mean how can this be said to be a great country if we go fighting terrorists in the middle east and then tell anyone fleeing from the region 'welp you're f****d, go back and get blown up by the very people we claim to be defending people from.' How is trump going to know which refugees are muslims, which ones are christians and which ones are secular? Perhaps it would be better to figure out some adequate security measures, whilst still helping some of the refugees from a region we helped destabilize in the first place and not discriminating based on religion.

And no I don't like Hillary, nor do I think I am one of these SJWs but regardless I think turning refugees all away in mass because of fear of terrorism is wrong, I understand the security concerns and all that so I certainly think adaquate security measures are important, however asking each one 'are you a muslim and refusing anyone who says they are or is found out to be doesn't sound like an adequate security measure to me...don't see what is so terrible about that opinion. How are we even 'fighting terrorism' if we mean to do nothing to help the people effected by the warzones and violence with nothing left?


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10 Aug 2016, 12:27 pm

I asked many random people I know IRL if they would vote Hillary or trump, and EVERY ONE of the dozens of people I asked basically said "Neither. But if I had to choose...". I think it says a lot about the entire process that basically every one to pick between two people they hate, when there is probably no shortage of people out there that could be loved by most sensible Americans. Excluding the extremist special snowflakes of course. Hell, would any one NOT vote for Morgan Freeman as our next president?

That being said, the only thing Hillary should be attempting to convince the American people is why she shouldn't be sent to prison for knowingly breaking the law countless times in a way that actually endangered our entire country, while actively threatening people in order to maliciously cover up her crimes.

Now that isn't a reason to vote for trump, but it is certainly a good reason to not vote for Hillary. As trump famously asked, how can a woman unable to satisfy her own husband possibly satisfy our country? And asking that, in my opinion, IS a reason to vote for trump. Because lul.



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10 Aug 2016, 12:41 pm

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He's disavowed them plenty of times, what do you want him to do? Tell them not vote for him? That is beyond stupid and reaching to ends of the earth to find something to be outraged about. The only people that talk about the KKK or Nazis are the media and those that swallow their loud of BS. Trump is not a racist and his life is a testament to that, it's not a charge I think many people really believe.


He could try and find out what it is about him that appeals to them and quit feeding the fire of encouragement. Maybe less us vs. them speech perhaps when talking of different demographics within and outside this country.


Do you really believe he should of done that? It's silly I think, it's not his responsibility to police who supports him. What encouragement? It's just such a nonsense narrative, there is no way Trump can make someone "upset" by this happy because they made their mind before anything. Do you think Trump is personally racist? Do you think any specific policy of his is racist? If you want to have that argument then fine but attempting this form of racial McCarthyism is as shameful as it gets I think. This is a media obsession and one done for malicious reasons, this is a tried and true character assassination attempt on the media's account. They did the same thing to Ron Paul in his campaigns and nobody could cry crocodile tears about his rhetoric.


He is running for president, so yes he has some responsibility concerning his followers and what he encourages. I didn't say he should police his supporters I said he should attempt to figure out in which ways he's appealing to Nazis and KKK, and perhaps tone those things down a wee bit. Also based on things he says he does sound a bit racist, I don't know if he really is or just appealing to people who are, if it's the latter it would be an example of something he should stop.

I also never said he has a specifically racist policy...I am more concerned if nazis and KKK feel encouraged by him that can certainly contribute to them getting bolder and committing some internal terrorism of their own, if they feel they are gaining leverage in politics. But those particular groups aside if he riles his supporters up too much he'll probably even put himself in danger when he fails to satisfy their level of extreme.

And I don't know what racial McCarthyism is, I am just posting my thoughts on the topic...but perhaps I should stop as I am sick of words being put in my mouth and being accused of attempting things I don't even know what are. I guess this is just too over my head.


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10 Aug 2016, 12:45 pm

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He's disavowed them plenty of times, what do you want him to do? Tell them not vote for him? That is beyond stupid and reaching to ends of the earth to find something to be outraged about. The only people that talk about the KKK or Nazis are the media and those that swallow their loud of BS. Trump is not a racist and his life is a testament to that, it's not a charge I think many people really believe.


He could try and find out what it is about him that appeals to them and quit feeding the fire of encouragement. Maybe less us vs. them speech perhaps when talking of different demographics within and outside this country.


Do you really believe he should of done that? It's silly I think, it's not his responsibility to police who supports him. What encouragement? It's just such a nonsense narrative, there is no way Trump can make someone "upset" by this happy because they made their mind before anything. Do you think Trump is personally racist? Do you think any specific policy of his is racist? If you want to have that argument then fine but attempting this form of racial McCarthyism is as shameful as it gets I think. This is a media obsession and one done for malicious reasons, this is a tried and true character assassination attempt on the media's account. They did the same thing to Ron Paul in his campaigns and nobody could cry crocodile tears about his rhetoric.


He is running for president, so yes he has some responsibility concerning his followers and what he encourages. I didn't say he should police his supporters I said he should attempt to figure out in which ways he's appealing to Nazis and KKK, and perhaps tone those things down a wee bit. Also based on things he says he does sound a bit racist, I don't know if he really is or just appealing to people who are, if it's the latter it would be an example of something he should stop.

I also never said he has a specifically racist policy...I am more concerned if nazis and KKK feel encouraged by him that can certainly contribute to them getting bolder and committing some internal terrorism of their own, if they feel they are gaining leverage in politics. But those particular groups aside if he riles his supporters up too much he'll probably even put himself in danger when he fails to satisfy their level of extreme.

And I don't know what racial McCarthyism is, I am just posting my thoughts on the topic...but perhaps I should stop as I am sick of words being put in my mouth and being accused of attempting things I don't even know what are. I guess this is just too over my head.


I'm sorry but you're just wrong. Using my previous analogy, if trump loved pie and so did the KKK, that does not mean trump is wrong for loving pie. Just because the KKK agrees with SOME of the things he says, that does not mean that he is wrong. I'm sure the KKK would always vote for a white guy over a black guy just because of his skin color. Should he change his skin color to be less appealing to the KKK? Your stance is simply ignorant of both reality and the nature of being supported by others, sorry for being blunt. The KKK is allowed to have their own opinions just like BLM, as long as they do not act violently on them, and they are allowed to support whoever they want. Trump can not stop them from doing so, and should not change a single thing in such a wasted effort.



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10 Aug 2016, 12:53 pm

I would also like to add on a separate note, that the KKK strongly supports traditional family dynamics. Which is not only a perfectly fine belief that has nothing to do with skin color, but also means that they would ALWAYS support a male over a female for a position of power. In general, they believe (just like the Amish) that a man should be the head of the family and of the country. So they would never stop supporting trump if the only other option is a woman.



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10 Aug 2016, 12:57 pm

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I'm sorry but you're just wrong. Using my previous analogy, if trump loved pie and so did the KKK, that does not mean trump is wrong for living pie. Just because the KKK agrees with SOME of the things he says, that does not mean that he is wrong. I'm sure the KKK would always vote for a white guy over a black guy just because of his skin color. Should he change his skin color to be less appealing to the KKK? Your stance is simply ignorant, sorry for being blunt.


I think you've missed my point, thus you can't judge it as right or wrong...furthermore you're clearly ignorant of my stance. I am not speaking of kkk and nazis coincidentally liking the same thing as trump and condemning him for that.

I am talking about his us vs. them language when discussing any demographics aside from his supporters and his borderline racist comments and treatment of various people who've confronted him, like the family that lost their son in the military that he insulted and how it can encourage extremism from people involved in things like neo-nazism and KKK they might start to fancy themselves his thugs whether it's his intent or not.

If you disagree fine, but what makes you think you're correct, seems you assume that before you even consider the other persons point.


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10 Aug 2016, 12:59 pm

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I would also like to add on a separate note, that the KKK strongly supports traditional family dynamics. Which is not only a perfectly fine belief that has nothing to do with skin color, but also means that they would ALWAYS support a male over a female for a position of power. In general, they believe (just like the Amish) that a man should be the head of the family and of the country. So they would never stop supporting trump if the only other option is a woman.


Yes I am sure they very much eat up the men are in charge and women are for childbirth and obeying whilst keeping quiet and in the background....not my idea of perfectly fine either, as I don't like sexism anymore than racism.


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10 Aug 2016, 1:10 pm

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I would also like to add on a separate note, that the KKK strongly supports traditional family dynamics. Which is not only a perfectly fine belief that has nothing to do with skin color, but also means that they would ALWAYS support a male over a female for a position of power. In general, they believe (just like the Amish) that a man should be the head of the family and of the country. So they would never stop supporting trump if the only other option is a woman.


I don't think sexism is perfectly fine but that's just me.


You can think that traditional family dynamics are sexist all you want, but it shows that your definition of sexism is either meaningless, or your understanding of your own species is lacking. Of course you are more than welcome to support a different future for humanity, that is your opinion and your are entitled to it. However, doing so by spitting on your own ancestor's graves is hardly a productive way of doing it. And I accuse you of doing so because you both insult your forefathers who had all of the pressure on their shoulders to support their wives and children, and minimalizing the role of your foremothers who also worked hard to that of simple slaves.

Wanting to continue the dynamics that have worked for countless generations rather than tossing them aside and arrogantly assuming after one or two generation, that have half failed and half relied on tradtion, that we automatically know a much better alternate way, and calling any one that does not jump off the cliff with you as a sexist is absurd. Excuse the run-on sentence.



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10 Aug 2016, 1:17 pm

Obnoxious and arrogant 3rd wave feminism aside, my original point on this matter was that the KKK supports traditional family values, in addition to being racist and what not. I'm sure you would have trump cut off his manhood in an attempt to lose their support, but your own personal issues, similar to the KKK's issues, hold no baring on trumps actions.



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10 Aug 2016, 1:20 pm

I don't care if the KKK supports "traditional family values." They're garbage!

Hitler supported "traditional family values," too. Stalin did, too.

Why would anybody want to be an apologist for the KKK?



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I don't care if the KKK supports "traditional family values." They're garbage!

Hitler supported "traditional family values," too. Stalin did, too.

Why would anybody want to be an apologist for the KKK?


If you're talking about me then I think you're mistake. You just said that you didn't care about the only point that I was actually making, which is that the KKK supports traditional family values. I am not saying that to try and win them favor, I am saying that to point out that they would never vote for a woman to lead our country and thus they would always vote for trump over Hillary no matter what his opinions were. Same with Hitler and Nazis in general, all of them would choose a white male over a white female. Which makes the entire premise of this thread meaningless.

"KKK And Nazi's Support Of Trump Is Sickening." That's the title. It is not sickening, it is obvious. They support the leadership of men over woman. Maybe you find their existence sickening, but that is a different matter. I find the existence of all extremists to be a bad thing. That includes both KKK and BLM. Both try and divide us into race, when we should be uniting as a species.



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10 Aug 2016, 1:31 pm

Seraphi_Grigori wrote:
I would also like to add on a separate note, that the KKK strongly supports traditional family dynamics. Which is not only a perfectly fine belief that has nothing to do with skin color, but also means that they would ALWAYS support a male over a female for a position of power. In general, they believe (just like the Amish) that a man should be the head of the family and of the country. So they would never stop supporting trump if the only other option is a woman.

It's not fine. The seemingly innocuous phrase "traditional family values" means anti-gay and anti-feminist.



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10 Aug 2016, 1:34 pm

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I never heard they blame white people, they blame America.


If that's true, then what in the everloving fuchsia are they doing in Britain and Sweden trying to convince us that our respective societies is also totally rasist and have to comply with their ridicilous demands in order to not be rasist?

What's ridiculous about it? I guess those countries have problems too.



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10 Aug 2016, 1:35 pm

That's cool, Seraphi. I understand now.

But when somebody says an organization is into "traditional family values" despite being into such things as lynching black people, they look like an apologist for that organization. It's sort of a United States thing.



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10 Aug 2016, 2:03 pm

Seraphi_Grigori wrote:
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I would also like to add on a separate note, that the KKK strongly supports traditional family dynamics. Which is not only a perfectly fine belief that has nothing to do with skin color, but also means that they would ALWAYS support a male over a female for a position of power. In general, they believe (just like the Amish) that a man should be the head of the family and of the country. So they would never stop supporting trump if the only other option is a woman.


I don't think sexism is perfectly fine but that's just me.


You can think that traditional family dynamics are sexist all you want, but it shows that your definition of sexism is either meaningless, or your understanding of your own species is lacking. Of course you are more than welcome to support a different future for humanity, that is your opinion and your are entitled to it. However, doing so by spitting on your own ancestor's graves is hardly a productive way of doing it. And I accuse you of doing so because you both insult your forefathers who had all of the pressure on their shoulders to support their wives and children, and minimalizing the role of your foremothers who also worked hard to that of simple slaves.

Wanting to continue the dynamics that have worked for countless generations rather than tossing them aside and arrogantly assuming after one or two generation, that have half failed and half relied on tradtion, that we automatically know a much better alternate way, and calling any one that does not jump off the cliff with you as a sexist is absurd. Excuse the run-on sentence.


The idea only males should ever be in charge of a household or country is sexist, as it gives one higher status based on sex alone which is B.S nothing wrong with a male president, and nothing wrong with a female president(as long as its not Hillary but someone better)....and I don't think i've asked anyone to jump off any cliffs with me, so just calm yourself down.

Also never said anything was wrong with a male supporting his family and his wife not working, taking care of kids(if they have any)and/or the house so I don't see how I am sh*tting on anyone who's done that....however lets just say I would see nothing wrong with the husband staying at home and wife going to work instead if that's what they prefer. But forcing those roles based on sex alone is sexist.


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