The condescending attitude towards blacks in America

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24 Aug 2016, 6:38 am

wilburforce wrote:
There was a thread started recently by a member of this forum who is black about his experience being black and autistic and how that effects his life, and I notice many of the people speaking about black people in this thread aren't participating in that thread and actually asking a PoC directly what they feel about this issue. I think that is rather telling.


What's telling is that you would put 2 and 2 together and come up with the answer "racism".

Some points to consider:

- Every poster on WP is the same colour: invisible. As far as prejudice is concerned, all we have to go on are each others words.

- The selection criteria for those of us with limited time (i.e. pretty much everybody) are based entirely on the thread title and nothing more - one cannot determine race or ethnicity from a username or thread title.

- Threads which aren't towards the top of a forum due to lack of initial responses (for a variety of reasons) are of less interest than either obviously new threads at the top, or those which one is already participating in and which has new responses.

- Many users (myself included) rarely stray outside the confines of PPR.

- The race and ethnicity of other WP users is clearly more important to you than anyone else who has responded in this thread.

But, of course, don't let these and numerous other factors dissuade you from creating a false narrative, casting slurs against other users and, yet again, dressing in the borrowed garb of another person's experience.

Incidentally, if you think the other thread is pertinent, why haven't you provided a link to it?



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24 Aug 2016, 6:45 am

wilburforce wrote:
There was a thread started recently by a member of this forum who is black about his experience being black and autistic and how that effects his life, and I notice many of the people speaking about black people in this thread aren't participating in that thread and actually asking a PoC directly what they feel about this issue. I think that is rather telling.

Don't your find your approach in the least bit ironic? You are advising us to go over to a black person's thread and fight for them as if they can't make their own points, and when all they were doing was sharing a viewpoint of how their experiences as a black person are? It's rather condescending in itself and only stands to support the opening poster's argument. However contentious a message may be, feelings shouldn't overshadow the reality of something.

As a person with black family myself in Brazil, I find the idea of calling someone a PoC being better than referring to them as a coloured person preposterous and so do they. How is one honestly better than the other? I find both rather offensive and so do they. I'm white, they're black, but we don't really care and we rarely ever bring up the colour of our skin. You seem to be dead focused on it.


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24 Aug 2016, 6:59 am

TheSpectrum wrote:
As a person with black family myself in Brazil, I find the idea of calling someone a PoC being better than referring to them as a coloured person preposterous and so do they. How is one honestly better than the other? I find both rather offensive and so do they. I'm white, they're black, but we don't really care and we rarely ever bring up the colour of our skin. You seem to be dead focused on it.


I don't really understand why one is better than the other myself, but I figure it's polite to respect people's wishes about the words used to describe them. And there are plenty of people in the world who find "coloured" offensie, just look at this:

https://www.theguardian.com/culture/201 ... s-coloured


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24 Aug 2016, 7:05 am

TheSpectrum wasn't suggesting that "coloured" is not offensive to people, but that "People of Colour" is equally preposterous.



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24 Aug 2016, 7:25 am

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TheSpectrum wasn't suggesting that "coloured" is not offensive to people, but that "People of Colour" is equally preposterous.


Yeah, but what can you do? For any marginalised group there comes a succession of words, as the one that was invented to be neutral starts being offensive, and after a certain point people run out of feasible options. And that's when silly season begins.


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24 Aug 2016, 7:31 am

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adifferentname wrote:
TheSpectrum wasn't suggesting that "coloured" is not offensive to people, but that "People of Colour" is equally preposterous.


Yeah, but what can you do? For any marginalised group there comes a succession of words, as the one that was invented to be neutral starts being offensive, and after a certain point people run out of feasible options. And that's when silly season begins.


You can simply not pander to the sensitivities of the perpetually offended. Any person who takes offence when none is offered is not someone in whom I'm going to invest more time than it takes to dismiss them.



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24 Aug 2016, 1:48 pm

TheSpectrum wrote:
wilburforce wrote:
There was a thread started recently by a member of this forum who is black about his experience being black and autistic and how that effects his life, and I notice many of the people speaking about black people in this thread aren't participating in that thread and actually asking a PoC directly what they feel about this issue. I think that is rather telling.

Don't your find your approach in the least bit ironic? You are advising us to go over to a black person's thread and fight for them as if they can't make their own points, and when all they were doing was sharing a viewpoint of how their experiences as a black person are? It's rather condescending in itself and only stands to support the opening poster's argument. However contentious a message may be, feelings shouldn't overshadow the reality of something.

As a person with black family myself in Brazil, I find the idea of calling someone a PoC being better than referring to them as a coloured person preposterous and so do they. How is one honestly better than the other? I find both rather offensive and so do they. I'm white, they're black, but we don't really care and we rarely ever bring up the colour of our skin. You seem to be dead focused on it.


I didn't say fight for them, I said talk to them directly and ask them how they feel if you want to know about black people in America and how they feel about being "coddled".


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24 Aug 2016, 2:01 pm

In my experience, black people don't like to be coddled. They like to be treated with respect. They don't like to be treated like a "black person." They like to be treated like "people."

They find the attitude of some "liberal whites" irritating, similar to how they find the attitude of racists irritating.

The vast majority just want to live their lives without having their race referenced all the time. They want to provide for their families. They want the opportunity to live a decent life.

Some understand why BLM does what it does; many do not like BLM at all.

Some like to be called "people of color." Some don't. "People of color" refers to a much broader cross-section of people than people of African descent.



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24 Aug 2016, 2:04 pm

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Most people are racist. I am racist. The OP is probably racist. The important thing I suppose is that we talk about it.

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24 Aug 2016, 3:01 pm

Ultimately, one single entity is to blame, surely... the sun! Or the clouds, or the hemispheres, simple geography... only reason melanin ever changes. The reason for all this conflict is so banal.



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24 Aug 2016, 4:28 pm

To clarify my points earlier, there is no point bending over backwards to make new language which ultimately does the same thing. Just call black people black people and white people white people. If you worry about offending them, then simply don't say offensive stuff.

More to the point of the thread, I think posts in this thread only support the OP. The OP is sometimes course in his approach but he isn't without a realistic perspective. The truth isn't always pretty and shouldn't be substituted for what someone else thinks is.


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24 Aug 2016, 4:30 pm

But really...if you want to get totally literal, there are very, very few actual "black" people in the world.

Even the darker-skinned people who live in West Africa are dark brown.

Race, really, is just a human construct. Race was created in order to create a hierarchy.



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24 Aug 2016, 9:11 pm

kraftiekortie wrote:
But really...if you want to get totally literal, there are very, very few actual "black" people in the world.

Even the darker-skinned people who live in West Africa are dark brown.
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Yeah , the director of the new Spiderman movie is defending his choice of "black" actress Zendaya Coleman.

Formerly, the role of "Mary Jane" went to white girls.

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24 Aug 2016, 9:34 pm

kraftiekortie wrote:
But really...if you want to get totally literal, there are very, very few actual "black" people in the world.


Still, they get much closer to pure black than white people do to pure white. Even skin lacking any pigmentation of its own looks slightly reddish due to blood showing through.


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25 Aug 2016, 4:02 am

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Yeah, I guess black people do get closer to being truly black than albino people get to being truly white. I wonder, though, does the albino black girl have white privilege? She's whiter than me, and trust me, that's really saying something :lol:


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29 Aug 2016, 3:43 pm

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Darmok, I'm amazed you can twist the context in such a way even with a screenshot... you're the one who's making the connection in your mind, and what a surprise that the first ten or so results in a quick search are all fascist... and you don't even respond to anything? What's the point of posting here if that is all you do?

Oh, come on. If Fox News had that headline or if Donald Trump said that, you'd be making the exact same accusation.