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19 Oct 2016, 12:34 pm

Where is this evidence of massive Hillary grassroots support? Online, off, where? I can't find anybody that admits to supporting her, some might be voting for her because they've been scared enough by the media about Trump but no genuine support. She has struggled to fill venues around the country, the most enthusiastic support she gets is from CNN.



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19 Oct 2016, 1:18 pm

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Where is this evidence of massive Hillary grassroots support? Online, off, where? I can't find anybody that admits to supporting her, some might be voting for her because they've been scared enough by the media about Trump but no genuine support. She has struggled to fill venues around the country, the most enthusiastic support she gets is from CNN.


Now you are just delusional and/or trolling. Knock it off.



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19 Oct 2016, 1:23 pm

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Now you are just delusional and/or trolling. Knock it off.


This is nothing Earthbound, come back in another three weeks and see how outrageous it gets. They've already signalled they aren't going to be gracious losers, that only means the rhetoric is going to get much, much more outrageous. I'm stocking up on popcorn to be honest.



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19 Oct 2016, 1:28 pm

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Now you are just delusional and/or trolling. Knock it off.


This is nothing Earthbound, come back in another three weeks and see how outrageous it gets. They've already signalled they aren't going to be gracious losers, that only means the rhetoric is going to get much, much more outrageous. I'm stocking up on popcorn to be honest.


You are right. I honestly worry about innocent people after the election. I feel like Trump supporters will either riot or do attacks on people. Its unfortunate how Trump has riled up so many people with mainly ignorance.



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19 Oct 2016, 2:43 pm

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As a guy who's on a lot of gun forums, I can say that Trump is not particularly popular with shooting sports crowd, though many of them feel obligated to vote for him due to the fact that he's running against Hillary Clinton, so Trump isn't likely to get much extra-legal support from that corner.



Interesting perspective; I know there are a lot of people on both Republican and Democrats side who are pro Second Amendment and shooting, so it's not a Republican thing the way some non-Americans I've noticed seem to assume it is. I've no idea though whether Trump was right in his statement 'oh Hillary wants to take your guns away', that could be interpreted as a mustering of votes from the guns crowd.

Cool to see someone else into guns and shooting by the way.


I'm a pro gun democrat who'll be voting trump. Hillary is just terrible



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19 Oct 2016, 2:45 pm

Why, as guns must absolutely be available for the next school shooting?



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19 Oct 2016, 3:13 pm

For 8 years, the assault weapons ban has languished in committee, and the gun show loophole has not yet been fully closed, and gun manufacturers have made record sales (except for the ones who have pioneered new safety equipment), and gun nuts have shrieked that Obama is coming for their guns. It beggars belief.


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19 Oct 2016, 3:22 pm

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In the news forum, beneficii posted a link to an article about how some Trump followers are promising to overthrow the government if "Crooked Hillary" "rigs" the election. So: Imagine it's December 8, and the final vote tally, including such things as vote-by-mail ballots and overseas military personnel, shows that Trump only has gotten 39% of the vote. "Crooked Hillary" has gotten 48%, with the rest split among various third parties.

Trump stands up in front of his devotees, and starts running his mouth; the fix was in all along, this government is illegitimate and I will NOT concede, it is time for True Americans to put the crooked elites in their place. Within days heavily armed Trump supporters are occupying state capitols and city halls across the country. All of America's different races and ethnicities are shooting at each other. People are forced to choose their "own people", and soon we have a race war. The military and national guard fractures.

Obama has the plug pulled on the internet, and then loads his family and that of "Crooked Hillary" on Air Force One and flees. Politicians from US Senators to town dogcatchers are hanging from streetlights and tree limbs. By mid-January, the US govt is kaput, and Trump declares victory.

Then, it gets worse. The various leaders of the various movements start attacking each other. So much for America 1789, we now have Afghanistan 1993. The "liberal cities" are destroyed as punishment for their "crimes" against "True Americans". Everybody fights everybody. Then it goes further, becoming France 1793, with people slaughtering anybody who was in the slightest way "liberal", as the world watches in horror.

By 2020 the Second American Revolution has burned itself out. Trump and his family were killed long ago. The nation is largely depopulated, what population that is left are small tribes of nomads. The rest of the world isn't doing a whole lot better. Russia has reannexed the former SSR's that broke away after the fall of the Soviet Union. China runs most of the Pacific. Israel is gone, having activated the Samson Option, and taking most of the Middle East with it. What we think of as "Western Civilization" is largely kaput, having been replaced with Chinese Civilization.


A civil war in the U.S. is difficult to do. It will be opposed by our armed forces who have artillery, planes, tanks, poison gas and flame throwers. How long do you think a civil war will last?


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19 Oct 2016, 5:35 pm

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For 8 years, the assault weapons ban has languished in committee, and the gun show loophole has not yet been fully closed, and gun manufacturers have made record sales (except for the ones who have pioneered new safety equipment), and gun nuts have shrieked that Obama is coming for their guns. It beggars belief.


The assault weapons(fake made up anti gun term) ban did nothing and so was not renewed and most people according to anti gun polls don't want it.

There is no gun show loop hole and you can't buy guns online without a background check either or have them sent to your house

because we've stopped him at most gun banning attempts thanks to said "shrieking"
None less he's gotten some bad things thru anyways and lied about them and other things.

As for record sales it's simple. Americans hate being told what they can and can't do. So they say we want to ban said guns and people responded with you can't tell me I can't have that and ran out and bought guns. More the left threatens to ban guns the more people run out and buy those guns. Kicker is lot of the anti gun politicians are invested in gun companies and so make lots of money every time they threaten to ban guns.



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19 Oct 2016, 5:54 pm

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Jacoby wrote:
Where is this evidence of massive Hillary grassroots support? Online, off, where? I can't find anybody that admits to supporting her, some might be voting for her because they've been scared enough by the media about Trump but no genuine support. She has struggled to fill venues around the country, the most enthusiastic support she gets is from CNN.


Now you are just delusional and/or trolling. Knock it off.


It's not trolling, it's the truth. I keep noticing it, nobody actually likes Hillary Clinton. We had a little discussion today before class about the election and even the people that were voting for Hillary were only voting against Trump with a lot of people being equally or more disgusted at Hillary as a candidate, nobody expressed any positive feelings towards her. Perhaps I should talk to fewer millennials and more people on Wall Street or the Beltway or Silicon Valley. Go read the leaks from her campaign and just google 'hillary attendance' in image search and you can see for yourself, Bernie represents the grassroots of the Democratic party and Bernie people hate Hillary. Bernie might of sold out but he said to his supporters not to support just whoever he endorses, that it is beyond his control.

Trump has drawn millions to his rallies, I think all that have attended Hillary's rallies put together is still less than just one of the bigger Trump rallies. She hides from public, she hides from the media, she's terrified that her mask will slip and expose her for who she really is.



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19 Oct 2016, 5:57 pm

I don't think there'd be enough people that violently angry to cause an event that catastrophic. I am anticipating a civil war, but our country has already survived one and it will probably survive another. I haven't lost faith yet. We're divided right now, but we could easily unite again. I've never met a conservative who would legitimately want to cause a war over this, but right now the anger in the U.S. is reaching a fever pitch so mob mentality might cause *something* to happen. But definitely not to an apocalyptic scale.



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19 Oct 2016, 6:00 pm

I am with the majority, then, on the assault weapons ban. It was more about how a rifle looked than about what it could do.

It seems that the situation with the gun show loophole is more complicated than I realized. I'm pretty sure that it isn't closed in all states, since it requires technology which they can drag their feet implementing.

People in Texas are establishing trusts which then buy fully-automatic weapons. This means that they can circumvent parts of the normal ATF screening. I haven't even heard anyone talking about that, probably since all aspects of the process require a lot of money. That point kind of brings this diversion full circle, too. It won't just be a bunch of yahoos with shotguns, if there are enough numbers to create a mob mentality.

I keep thinking about Crispus Attucks, the first casualty of the American Revolution.
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19 Oct 2016, 8:44 pm

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People in Texas are establishing trusts which then buy fully-automatic weapons. This means that they can circumvent parts of the normal ATF screening.


Not quite right, setting up an NFA trust allows you a bit more flexibility as to who can use your firearms and how they're disposed of in the event of your death, but the only thing "circumvented" is getting you local sheriff to sign off on the transfer, as some simply refuse. FYI a legal machine gun starts at about $10,000 these days and they are never used in crime, as they're so tightly controlled, and are the category of gun you need to spend the least amount of time worrying about.


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19 Oct 2016, 9:03 pm

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I don't think there'd be enough people that violently angry to cause an event that catastrophic. I am anticipating a civil war, but our country has already survived one and it will probably survive another. I haven't lost faith yet. We're divided right now, but we could easily unite again. I've never met a conservative who would legitimately want to cause a war over this, but right now the anger in the U.S. is reaching a fever pitch so mob mentality might cause *something* to happen. But definitely not to an apocalyptic scale.


I wanted to provoke a debate, so I started with the most outlandish scenario as to head off the thread getting too crazy. It did anyway. :cry: :oops: I personally think that a terrorist campaign along the lines of the IRA in 1970s England or the Basque separatists in 1980s Spain is more likely, only the movement here in the US won't let people evacuate before the bomb goes off like the IRA did. They'll happily blow to shreds anybody and everybody who is perceived to be an "enemy". Remember McVeigh saying that the little kids in the federal building that he blew up deserved to die as "collateral damage".

If that does happen, then the big danger becomes an overreaction by Hillary and the Dems. There's a risk they might go off the deep end and tear the government apart trying to protect themselves. There's a short story by underground right wing novelist Matt Bracken called What I Saw At The Coup, google it, it's free to read. Bracken imagines disgruntled military snipers picking off politicians and journalists one by one. The pols then go nuts trying to save themselves, demanding massive protection forces and basically barricading themselves in armed camps. When that doesn't work, they flee the country and leave their underlings to face the gallows manned by victorious "patriots".



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19 Oct 2016, 9:10 pm

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It's banning rifles because they look scary mostly cause their black. A mostly wood colored rifles were left out.

There's not loop hole. It's legal in the us for a private citizen to sell their property to another private citizen who is legally able to process such property without a background check. Be this at home, a park, a Walmart parking lot or yes at a gagging of pro gun owning citizens aka a gun show. What they make it out to be, gun shops selling guns at gun shows to avoid background checks, is just false. Only businesses are required to do background checks this is what the writers of the bill intended. They never intended for it to cover private to private transfers. They passed it in the 80s if they'd meant to cover that then they'd brought it up as Ann amendedent in the 80s.

On top of that most if not all the guns used in shooting were legally bought background check and all from gun shops or stolen from people who bought them and passed background checks. Expanding to cover private to private transfers will do nothing and even those pushing it admit it won't do anything. That is beeides make it a felony to shoot guns with your friends or lend your gf s gun when she's had attempted break ins or a stalker.



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19 Oct 2016, 9:20 pm

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I don't think there'd be enough people that violently angry to cause an event that catastrophic. I am anticipating a civil war, but our country has already survived one and it will probably survive another. I haven't lost faith yet. We're divided right now, but we could easily unite again. I've never met a conservative who would legitimately want to cause a war over this, but right now the anger in the U.S. is reaching a fever pitch so mob mentality might cause *something* to happen. But definitely not to an apocalyptic scale.


I wanted to provoke a debate, so I started with the most outlandish scenario as to head off the thread getting too crazy. It did anyway. :cry: :oops: I personally think that a terrorist campaign along the lines of the IRA in 1970s England or the Basque separatists in 1980s Spain is more likely, only the movement here in the US won't let people evacuate before the bomb goes off like the IRA did. They'll happily blow to shreds anybody and everybody who is perceived to be an "enemy". Remember McVeigh saying that the little kids in the federal building that he blew up deserved to die as "collateral damage".

If that does happen, then the big danger becomes an overreaction by Hillary and the Dems. There's a risk they might go off the deep end and tear the government apart trying to protect themselves. There's a short story by underground right wing novelist Matt Bracken called What I Saw At The Coup, google it, it's free to read. Bracken imagines disgruntled military snipers picking off politicians and journalists one by one. The pols then go nuts trying to save themselves, demanding massive protection forces and basically barricading themselves in armed camps. When that doesn't work, they flee the country and leave their underlings to face the gallows manned by victorious "patriots".


When this comes up why antis always say the government would start carpet bombing cities as a whole to get the rebels. Killing thousands if not millions of loyal citizens. Which will only push more people to the rebels as we found out in Vietnam, Afghanistan, and Iraq. Populace doesn't respond well to being killed by thousands. They've even suggest nukes might be used to eliminate bigger pockets of rebels. Most the military and equipment will probably disappear off basses and reappear on rebel units if such a civil war broke out. If the military didn't just remove the current government in line with protecting the constitution which they swore an oath to.
As soon as any us gov orders bombing if us cities they've lost the war. What's left of the military will be unable to be used in cities due to the high civilian casualties that will come from its use.

There's an 80s movie with Bruce Willis where they deploy the military in ny to stop terroist. The military general is like " you do not want to deploy us military forces in a us city ......"

They do and it goes all wrong, they start locking up and torturing citizens and declare a Curfew and cut the city off into sections.
Would you really want to turn the us into Iraq? Would anyone?