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jrjones9933
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19 Oct 2016, 2:13 pm

Yes, I read most of the thread. For clarification, I think saying half - or even saying deplorable - is both plausible and stupid.

My Dad is already a proud 'clinger,' and I predict that he will reclaim the term deplorable. I don't really want to know, and I don't intend to have any political discussions with him or call him a deplorable. That's his word.

It seems implausible that these folks will suddenly realize how racist they've been acting and eschew it. That would hurt. More likely, as the world changes, their attitudes will continue to imperceptibly moderate until there are only a few left clinging those hideous ideas.


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19 Oct 2016, 2:22 pm

On Twitter loads of accounts already claimed that word even in their usernames, as if somehow words can be redefined... at this rate everyone will rename themselves after their crimes... if they're crimes at all if their overlord is elected.



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19 Oct 2016, 2:25 pm

I really don't think "the Trump campaign has had open racism as a considerable selling point" is disputable.

I mean, from his announcement speech, on predominantly Mexican illegal aliens and quoting a narrative put forward in the mass media shortly beforehand by Ann Coulter's book Adios America: "They're bringing crime. They're rapists. And some, I assume, are good people."

Add to that Front National-esque statements on Muslim immigrants and the already-normalized Southern Strategy "tough on black peo-uh, I mean crime, yeah" talk that Nixon cribbed from George Wallace, and you have a very hate-driven campaign. We might quibble on whether it's half, but it's clearly a significant number and not surprising that the David Dukes of the country have flocked to him. And it's larger than that if you include blind attraction to his cult of machismo, which I've seen a lot of, in the "deplorables" basket.


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19 Oct 2016, 2:27 pm

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19 Oct 2016, 2:31 pm

No... it's an adjective.



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19 Oct 2016, 2:45 pm

I as a Trump supporter am offended by this thread and it should be locked.


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19 Oct 2016, 2:48 pm

Adamantium wrote:
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While I appreciate your concern, don't you feel as a moderator enforcing a political bias and comparing a voter demographic as misguided or deplorable is against the very PPR rules?

I get it. Passions runs high in the election period, but Walrus by comparison is a lot more balanced in his posting.


I suspect that by "balanced" you mean Walrus is a bit to the political right of my views?

In any case, let's be transparent and frank.

First, I am not enforcing a political bias. You and anyone else is free to post your own political thoughts here.

Have you seen the posts from Dox, Jacoby, Nurseangela and Mikah, for example? If I were "enforcing a political bias" you wouldn't.

Instead you see me posting my own stuff and sometimes trying to rebut the things posted from the right. This is called expression and dialogue, not "enforcing."

Second, I am under no obligation to pretend to be balanced in my political views. Perhaps you misread the site guidelines or PPR rules?

For your reference, the rules: viewtopic.php?t=73837
PPR Guidelines: viewtopic.php?t=204613
You may also be interested in site owner Alex Plank's views on the election: http://wrongplanet.net/important-electi ... -autistic/

I am not just a moderator, but also a member and I can post as such. When I am moderating, I will put a tag in front of the comments like this [moderating]
[not moderating]

When acting as a moderator, I will do my best not to let my partisan political passions influence any decisions that I have to make. If you feel that some decision I made as a moderator was unfairly influenced by partisan considerations, you can have a chat with me about it in PMs or complain to the other mods.

Moderation is mostly not about partisan issues, though. It's about the rules. Don't make personal attacks or attack protected groups, don't spam or post obscenity and you should be fine.

When I post in my role as WrongPlanet member rather than moderator, I will not be pretending to have views I don't.

I hope that clears things up for you. If not, please feel free to PM or start a thread in the WrongPlanet forum about this issue. :D


By quoting me I am forced to reply. I have not called any Clinton supporters rude names. I see the word "Deplorable" as being rude and I don't care if you said that some are not. I expected better from you Mr. A. I think B19 has been a bad influence on you. Moderators should be neutral or give up their positions.


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19 Oct 2016, 2:50 pm

KKK should be offensive too... but somehow it's not even a terrorist group even after a century of murder.



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19 Oct 2016, 3:03 pm

I think everyone can agree that there were some racists in the KKK


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19 Oct 2016, 9:44 pm

nurseangela wrote:
By quoting me I am forced to reply.

I didn't quote you, I listed you as one of the right wind voices on the board. Is that not something you take pride in?
The other poster was suggesting that I was silencing right wing voices. Your posts, among others, are clear evidence that no such silencing is happening.

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I have not called any Clinton supporters rude names. I see the word "Deplorable" as being rude and I don't care if you said that some are not. I expected better from you Mr. A. I think B19 has been a bad influence on you. Moderators should be neutral or give up their positions.


I don't agree. You're entitled to your point of view, just as I am entitled to mine.
I will be as scrupulously neutral as I can in moderating, but this doesn't mean I have no views of my own.


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19 Oct 2016, 10:06 pm

What did y'all 'deplorables' think of the debate?

I put it in quotes, and my own father probably self-identifies as such, remember?


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20 Oct 2016, 11:41 am

There's nothing wrong with declaring people guilty by association: it just means you can't be assed to be fair and you're not afraid of the people you're boldly and proudly being unfair to.


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20 Oct 2016, 11:43 am

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There's nothing wrong with declaring people guilty by association: it just means you can't be assed to be fair and you're not afraid of the people you're boldly and proudly being unfair to.

You should make this your new signature.


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20 Oct 2016, 1:42 pm

So, I think the suggested argument is that saying these nasty people are deplorable is declaring Trump and his other followers of guilt by association, is that right?

If so, then there may be some who are doing that, but that's not what motivated me about looking at the deplorable views of some who have been emboldened by the Trump campaign.

I think Trump is directly guilty of inciting bigotry of several kinds.
That and not any sort of guilt by association is the problem.

Trump says things that make people feel hated for their race, ethnicity, religion or gender, and those words make other hateful people feel vindicated, and encouraged to spread those bigoted ideas.

I don't think all (or even most) Trump fans are guilty of fostering these ideas nor do I wish to imply such a thing.

I do think it strange that people who aren't racist, xenophobic or misogynist are more or less comfortable with someone who says these kinds of things. I am guessing that they are willing to overlook those things in order to focus on what they see as the main point.


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20 Oct 2016, 3:22 pm

If this is the same sort of far-right psychopaths who somehow decide that standing outside of a shop specifically shooting at women and children is fine, then 'deplorable'... could actually be an understatement.



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20 Oct 2016, 4:11 pm

I don't know which incident you are thinking of Mootoo. It seems to me that people who attack civilians to make a political point come in all political varieties.

One problem in the US is the "Christian Identity"/Neo-Nazi types like those listed here


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