Obama is a liar
Kraichgauer
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04 Nov 2016, 11:49 am
You do know that not everyone is going to agree with you, don't you? You aren't going to be able to beat them over the head lithographically till they say you're right.
By claiming I'm against wars and killing innocents (actually against killing anyone)? I think you're about 100% wrong. I don't think this is beating people over the head...where did you get such a notion?
I do not believe the average person...if they ignore all the rhetoric and hate speech from our politicians, would say killing innocents, when there are clear alternatives, is the right path to follow. But the problem seems to be that, just as people get accustomed having two major scumbags running for president, they also get accustomed to the ongoing killing, torture, and destruction that is done by this country (with Obama's blessing and orders), in their name, every day. But I refuse to forget the killing of innocents or compromise...if that upsets anyone..so be it. That certainly seems less important than people getting killed.
And that is exactly the path Hillary will follow...she's said so many times. As far as we know Trump (unlike "O" and "H") is NOT a killer...he's a negotiator. At least there's a chance. Hopefully most people can see there is at least a HOPE of peace with Trump.
Kraichgauer
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04 Nov 2016, 9:49 pm
You do know that not everyone is going to agree with you, don't you? You aren't going to be able to beat them over the head lithographically till they say you're right.
By claiming I'm against wars and killing innocents (actually against killing anyone)? I think you're about 100% wrong. I don't think this is beating people over the head...where did you get such a notion?
I do not believe the average person...if they ignore all the rhetoric and hate speech from our politicians, would say killing innocents, when there are clear alternatives, is the right path to follow. But the problem seems to be that, just as people get accustomed having two major scumbags running for president, they also get accustomed to the ongoing killing, torture, and destruction that is done by this country (with Obama's blessing and orders), in their name, every day. But I refuse to forget the killing of innocents or compromise...if that upsets anyone..so be it. That certainly seems less important than people getting killed.
And that is exactly the path Hillary will follow...she's said so many times. As far as we know Trump (unlike "O" and "H") is NOT a killer...he's a negotiator. At least there's a chance. Hopefully most people can see there is at least a HOPE of peace with Trump.
In fact, Trump said he was not only going to bomb ISIS out of existence, but he would also target their families (who are innocent non-combatants), and would turn away desperate Syrian refugees, which would condemn a great many of them to+ death back home. Trump sounds like he's going to rack up quite the body count on his own.
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-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
05 Nov 2016, 10:41 am
You do know that not everyone is going to agree with you, don't you? You aren't going to be able to beat them over the head lithographically till they say you're right.
By claiming I'm against wars and killing innocents (actually against killing anyone)? I think you're about 100% wrong. I don't think this is beating people over the head...where did you get such a notion?
I do not believe the average person...if they ignore all the rhetoric and hate speech from our politicians, would say killing innocents, when there are clear alternatives, is the right path to follow. But the problem seems to be that, just as people get accustomed having two major scumbags running for president, they also get accustomed to the ongoing killing, torture, and destruction that is done by this country (with Obama's blessing and orders), in their name, every day. But I refuse to forget the killing of innocents or compromise...if that upsets anyone..so be it. That certainly seems less important than people getting killed.
And that is exactly the path Hillary will follow...she's said so many times. As far as we know Trump (unlike "O" and "H") is NOT a killer...he's a negotiator. At least there's a chance. Hopefully most people can see there is at least a HOPE of peace with Trump.
In fact, Trump said he was not only going to bomb ISIS out of existence, but he would also target their families (who are innocent non-combatants), and would turn away desperate Syrian refugees, which would condemn a great many of them to+ death back home. Trump sounds like he's going to rack up quite the body count on his own.
In fact, Trump said he was not only going to bomb ISIS out of existence, but he would also target their families (who are innocent non-combatants)
Just more of Trump's BS (Didn't know that I believe ALL politicians are full of B.S. and lies? It comes with our form of government.)
and would turn away desperate Syrian refugees PLEASE..stop with the lies already. What Trump SAID was that the vetting system we have now is useless (remember San Bernardino?) and that we should not be letting in refugees until it is fixed. And "desperate"? The last refugee account I read (yesterday) was that they were here to create better opportunities for their young son. Doesn't really seem the refugee program is what we were supposed to believe.
Just what we need to add to the present unemployment situation. Give all the thousands and thousands and thousands of refugees homes, jobs, money, top education WHILE ALL THIS TIME OUR OWN POOR SUFFER AND LIVE IN THE STREET AND ARE UNEMPLOYED...And Hillary wants to double/triple down on this influence peddling scheme.
Other world leaders have said it correctly: Wars are temporary things...removing people from their country permanently is NOT. Our protection should only be until the conflict is over, after which the people and families are repatriated to their home countries. This is the only way that's fair to the needy people already citizens of this country.
Kraichgauer
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05 Nov 2016, 12:34 pm
You do know that not everyone is going to agree with you, don't you? You aren't going to be able to beat them over the head lithographically till they say you're right.
By claiming I'm against wars and killing innocents (actually against killing anyone)? I think you're about 100% wrong. I don't think this is beating people over the head...where did you get such a notion?
I do not believe the average person...if they ignore all the rhetoric and hate speech from our politicians, would say killing innocents, when there are clear alternatives, is the right path to follow. But the problem seems to be that, just as people get accustomed having two major scumbags running for president, they also get accustomed to the ongoing killing, torture, and destruction that is done by this country (with Obama's blessing and orders), in their name, every day. But I refuse to forget the killing of innocents or compromise...if that upsets anyone..so be it. That certainly seems less important than people getting killed.
And that is exactly the path Hillary will follow...she's said so many times. As far as we know Trump (unlike "O" and "H") is NOT a killer...he's a negotiator. At least there's a chance. Hopefully most people can see there is at least a HOPE of peace with Trump.
In fact, Trump said he was not only going to bomb ISIS out of existence, but he would also target their families (who are innocent non-combatants), and would turn away desperate Syrian refugees, which would condemn a great many of them to+ death back home. Trump sounds like he's going to rack up quite the body count on his own.
In fact, Trump said he was not only going to bomb ISIS out of existence, but he would also target their families (who are innocent non-combatants)
Just more of Trump's BS (Didn't know that I believe ALL politicians are full of B.S. and lies? It comes with our form of government.)
and would turn away desperate Syrian refugees PLEASE..stop with the lies already. What Trump SAID was that the vetting system we have now is useless (remember San Bernardino?) and that we should not be letting in refugees until it is fixed. And "desperate"? The last refugee account I read (yesterday) was that they were here to create better opportunities for their young son. Doesn't really seem the refugee program is what we were supposed to believe.
Just what we need to add to the present unemployment situation. Give all the thousands and thousands and thousands of refugees homes, jobs, money, top education WHILE ALL THIS TIME OUR OWN POOR SUFFER AND LIVE IN THE STREET AND ARE UNEMPLOYED...And Hillary wants to double/triple down on this influence peddling scheme.
Other world leaders have said it correctly: Wars are temporary things...removing people from their country permanently is NOT. Our protection should only be until the conflict is over, after which the people and families are repatriated to their home countries. This is the only way that's fair to the needy people already citizens of this country.
Trump did say he would kill the families of terrorists.
And we already have the best vetting process for immigrants. Yes, the Syrians are fleeing for their lives. And if we restricted immigration for the sake of keeping jobs and resources just for Americans, then well over half of Americans wouldn't be here today, as many of our ancestors were fleeing from somewhere else. Those descendants of Syrian refugees will be true blue Americans, no different from any others.
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-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
06 Nov 2016, 11:25 am
Trump did say he would kill the families of terrorists.
And we already have the best vetting process for immigrants. Yes, the Syrians are fleeing for their lives. And if we restricted immigration for the sake of keeping jobs and resources just for Americans, then well over half of Americans wouldn't be here today, as many of our ancestors were fleeing from somewhere else. Those descendants of Syrian refugees will be true blue Americans, no different from any others.
"Trump did say he would kill the families of terrorists." Oh, dear!! !
When you have terrorists bombing everyone indiscriminately (women and children included), THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT YOU SAY TO THEM! !!
Perhaps YOU might say we'll take their candy away from them??? Try to be real. These are KILLERS we're dealing with.
"And we already have the best vetting process for immigrants." It seems you like to make up things as you go along?
Our vetting is almost useless...remember the extensive "vetting" we did on BOTH of the terrorists in San Bernardino...our very best??? Useless...worse because it gives our people a false sense of security, and people died because of it.
"And if we restricted immigration for the sake of keeping jobs and resources just for Americans, then well over half of Americans wouldn't be here today, as many of our ancestors were fleeing from somewhere else."
That statement makes NO sense whatsoever. My ancestors didn't get a free house...did yours? How about anything else "free" except inoculations??? Perhaps YOUR family came over on a luxury yacht and everything was handed to them on a silver platter???? And frankly the people coming here in our ancestor's day weren't infiltrated with terrorists the way it is for us today. Different situations require different solutions to match the times, don't you know?
And you say: "Those descendants of Syrian refugees will be true blue Americans, no different from any others."
We all HOPE so, but there is no guarantee...unless you live in LaLa Land and ignore the facts and real possibilities.
It's all just another influence peddling scheme from the great "plotters" the Clintons/and Obamas.
So YOUR solution is to let our poor and homeless suffer, while we play the Clinton/Obama game for them? That our citizens can live on the street and eat food from garbage cans to let these political strangers have superior lives??? I hope you never have to live on the streets, but if it should happen I'd like you to remember what you said here.
Or perhaps, since you feel your own position is secure, you could care less about the rest of us???
Kraichgauer
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06 Nov 2016, 11:32 am
And we already have the best vetting process for immigrants. Yes, the Syrians are fleeing for their lives. And if we restricted immigration for the sake of keeping jobs and resources just for Americans, then well over half of Americans wouldn't be here today, as many of our ancestors were fleeing from somewhere else. Those descendants of Syrian refugees will be true blue Americans, no different from any others.
"Trump did say he would kill the families of terrorists." Oh, dear!! !
When you have terrorists bombing everyone indiscriminately (women and children included), THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT YOU SAY TO THEM! ! !
Perhaps YOU might say we'll take their candy away from them??? Try to be real. These are KILLERS we're dealing with.
"And we already have the best vetting process for immigrants." It seems you like to make up things as you go along?
Our vetting is almost useless...remember the extensive "vetting" we did on BOTH of the terrorists in San Bernardino...our very best??? Useless...worse because it gives our people a false sense of security, and people died because of it.
"And if we restricted immigration for the sake of keeping jobs and resources just for Americans, then well over half of Americans wouldn't be here today, as many of our ancestors were fleeing from somewhere else."
That statement makes NO sense whatsoever. My ancestors didn't get a free house...did yours? How about anything else "free" except inoculations??? Perhaps YOUR family came over on a luxury yacht and everything was handed to them on a silver platter???? And frankly the people coming here in our ancestor's day weren't infiltrated with terrorists the way it is for us today. Different situations require different solutions to match the times, don't you know?
And you say: "Those descendants of Syrian refugees will be true blue Americans, no different from any others."
We all HOPE so, but there is no guarantee...unless you live in LaLa Land and ignore the facts and real possibilities.
It's all just another influence peddling scheme from the great "plotters" the Clintons/and Obamas.
So YOUR solution is to let our poor and homeless suffer, while we play the Clinton/Obama game for them? That our citizens can live on the street and eat food from garbage cans to let these political strangers have superior lives??? I hope you never have to live on the streets, but if it should happen I'd like you to remember what you said here.
Or perhaps, since you feel your own position is secure, you could care less about the rest of us???
No, your and my ancestors didn't get things handed to them, but then again, few did back then. But the fact remains, many of our ancestors were fleeing from some danger elsewhere, and faced senseless nativist bigotry here in America. But we are both true blue Americans today because our forebears came here. And when our ancestors came here, nativists made the same argument that immigration would take food away from poor Americans. Ironically, the only time conservatives care about the American poor is when they are a convenient pretext to use against immigrants.
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-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
06 Nov 2016, 11:52 am
Obama's "approach to terrorism" is the same as Bush's -- immoral and counterproductive. But it isn't designed to be effective, it's designed to maintain a perpetual state of war, thereby keeping the Military-Industrial Complex happy.
With Hillary, we will have more of the same -- and worse! She is far more militant than Obama.
I cannot in good conscience vote for Hillary -- and obviously not Trump. I will be voting for the Green Party candidate Jill Stein on Tuesday.
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