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20 Feb 2017, 10:58 pm

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Trump either lied or was duped by faux news. I can see either one being true. Anybody trying to defend him by trying to explain what he could have meant is being disingenuous.


I think it was probably more a matter of him screwing up rather than it being an insidious tactic.

I guess maybe that was the case with the Bush Derangement Syndrome. Bush would verbally screw up (which he was famous for) and people would read all kinds of stuff into it.



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20 Feb 2017, 11:02 pm

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Trump either lied or was duped by faux news. I can see either one being true. Anybody trying to defend him by trying to explain what he could have meant is being disingenuous.


I think it was probably more a matter of him screwing up rather than it being an insidious tactic.

I guess maybe that was the case with the Bush Derangement Syndrome. Bush would verbally screw up (which he was famous for) and people would read all kinds of stuff into it.


Conway's Boling Green comments lead me to believe it is a deliberate tactic and not a mistake. He knows his supporters will believe him regardless of what the facts are.



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20 Feb 2017, 11:05 pm

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Did anyone watch what he said. The guy got his words mixed up, he was talking about Sweden in general, but for some reason added "last night" in what he was saying.


I'm guessing he meant what he saw on the news last night.

It's like when he had just said there were 28 days left in the election and then flubbed and said be sure to vote November 28th. I think the normal reaction to that should have been "haha he screwed up". But instead in a lot of cases is was "He doesn't even know when election day is, which is proof he's totally incompetent!"



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20 Feb 2017, 11:10 pm

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Did anyone watch what he said. The guy got his words mixed up, he was talking about Sweden in general, but for some reason added "last night" in what he was saying.


I'm guessing he meant what he saw on the news last night.

It's like when he had just said there were 28 days left in the election and then flubbed and said be sure to vote November 28th. I think the normal reaction to that should have been "haha he screwed up". But instead in a lot of cases is was "He doesn't even know when election day is, which is proof he's totally incompetent!"

You know, Hillary could have won if she'd campaigned in all 57 states like Obama did:


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20 Feb 2017, 11:14 pm

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Trump either lied or was duped by faux news. I can see either one being true. Anybody trying to defend him by trying to explain what he could have meant is being disingenuous.


I think it was probably more a matter of him screwing up rather than it being an insidious tactic.

I guess maybe that was the case with the Bush Derangement Syndrome. Bush would verbally screw up (which he was famous for) and people would read all kinds of stuff into it.


Conway's Boling Green comments lead me to believe it is a deliberate tactic and not a mistake. He knows his supporters will believe him regardless of what the facts are.


Maybe or maybe she just screwed up. She does use a lot of cringe worthy tactics to avoid answering questions directly, so it's hard to be sure, especially since she said it more than once. But deliberately dodging questions and deliberately stating a falsehood are two different things.

It's like the "alternative facts" line. Was that really the Trump administration declaring a new concept they'd be using called alternative facts, or did she just simply screw up under pressure and say something stupid? I think it was the latter.



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20 Feb 2017, 11:52 pm

EzraS wrote:
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Trump either lied or was duped by faux news. I can see either one being true. Anybody trying to defend him by trying to explain what he could have meant is being disingenuous.


I think it was probably more a matter of him screwing up rather than it being an insidious tactic.

I guess maybe that was the case with the Bush Derangement Syndrome. Bush would verbally screw up (which he was famous for) and people would read all kinds of stuff into it.


Conway's Boling Green comments lead me to believe it is a deliberate tactic and not a mistake. He knows his supporters will believe him regardless of what the facts are.


Maybe or maybe she just screwed up. She does use a lot of cringe worthy tactics to avoid answering questions directly, so it's hard to be sure, especially since she said it more than once. But deliberately dodging questions and deliberately stating a falsehood are two different things.

It's like the "alternative facts" line. Was that really the Trump administration declaring a new concept they'd be using called alternative facts, or did she just simply screw up under pressure and say something stupid? I think it was the latter.


I'm not so sure why you continually give them the benefit of the doubt when the entire administration continually states falsehoods even when corrected repeatedly. I'm not that forgiving, it happens way too often. And like I said his diehard supporters we'll believe Trump over anything and he knows it.



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21 Feb 2017, 12:04 am

Lukeda420 wrote:
EzraS wrote:
Lukeda420 wrote:
EzraS wrote:
Lukeda420 wrote:
Trump either lied or was duped by faux news. I can see either one being true. Anybody trying to defend him by trying to explain what he could have meant is being disingenuous.


I think it was probably more a matter of him screwing up rather than it being an insidious tactic.

I guess maybe that was the case with the Bush Derangement Syndrome. Bush would verbally screw up (which he was famous for) and people would read all kinds of stuff into it.


Conway's Boling Green comments lead me to believe it is a deliberate tactic and not a mistake. He knows his supporters will believe him regardless of what the facts are.


Maybe or maybe she just screwed up. She does use a lot of cringe worthy tactics to avoid answering questions directly, so it's hard to be sure, especially since she said it more than once. But deliberately dodging questions and deliberately stating a falsehood are two different things.

It's like the "alternative facts" line. Was that really the Trump administration declaring a new concept they'd be using called alternative facts, or did she just simply screw up under pressure and say something stupid? I think it was the latter.


I'm not so sure why you continually give them the benefit of the doubt when the entire administration continually states falsehoods even when corrected repeatedly. I'm not that forgiving, it happens way too often. And like I said his diehard supporters we'll believe Trump over anything and he knows it.


Likewise diehard detractors will conclude everything is a plot and make up conspiracies.



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21 Feb 2017, 12:19 am

EzraS wrote:
Lukeda420 wrote:
EzraS wrote:
Lukeda420 wrote:
EzraS wrote:
Lukeda420 wrote:
Trump either lied or was duped by faux news. I can see either one being true. Anybody trying to defend him by trying to explain what he could have meant is being disingenuous.


I think it was probably more a matter of him screwing up rather than it being an insidious tactic.

I guess maybe that was the case with the Bush Derangement Syndrome. Bush would verbally screw up (which he was famous for) and people would read all kinds of stuff into it.


Conway's Boling Green comments lead me to believe it is a deliberate tactic and not a mistake. He knows his supporters will believe him regardless of what the facts are.


Maybe or maybe she just screwed up. She does use a lot of cringe worthy tactics to avoid answering questions directly, so it's hard to be sure, especially since she said it more than once. But deliberately dodging questions and deliberately stating a falsehood are two different things.

It's like the "alternative facts" line. Was that really the Trump administration declaring a new concept they'd be using called alternative facts, or did she just simply screw up under pressure and say something stupid? I think it was the latter.


I'm not so sure why you continually give them the benefit of the doubt when the entire administration continually states falsehoods even when corrected repeatedly. I'm not that forgiving, it happens way too often. And like I said his diehard supporters we'll believe Trump over anything and he knows it.


Likewise diehard detractors will conclude everything is a plot and make up conspiracies.


No, it's more just gauging future behavior on past behavior, and judging statements by how well they comport with the facts. Trump has not been doing well in this regard. And this is not a case of both sides are equal, it rarely ever is.



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21 Feb 2017, 1:04 am

Lukeda420 wrote:
EzraS wrote:
Lukeda420 wrote:
EzraS wrote:
Lukeda420 wrote:
EzraS wrote:
Lukeda420 wrote:
Trump either lied or was duped by faux news. I can see either one being true. Anybody trying to defend him by trying to explain what he could have meant is being disingenuous.


I think it was probably more a matter of him screwing up rather than it being an insidious tactic.

I guess maybe that was the case with the Bush Derangement Syndrome. Bush would verbally screw up (which he was famous for) and people would read all kinds of stuff into it.


Conway's Boling Green comments lead me to believe it is a deliberate tactic and not a mistake. He knows his supporters will believe him regardless of what the facts are.


Maybe or maybe she just screwed up. She does use a lot of cringe worthy tactics to avoid answering questions directly, so it's hard to be sure, especially since she said it more than once. But deliberately dodging questions and deliberately stating a falsehood are two different things.

It's like the "alternative facts" line. Was that really the Trump administration declaring a new concept they'd be using called alternative facts, or did she just simply screw up under pressure and say something stupid? I think it was the latter.


I'm not so sure why you continually give them the benefit of the doubt when the entire administration continually states falsehoods even when corrected repeatedly. I'm not that forgiving, it happens way too often. And like I said his diehard supporters we'll believe Trump over anything and he knows it.


Likewise diehard detractors will conclude everything is a plot and make up conspiracies.


No, it's more just gauging future behavior on past behavior, and judging statements by how well they comport with the facts. Trump has not been doing well in this regard. And this is not a case of both sides are equal, it rarely ever is.


I think it depends on where the area of focus is. It's like when someone pointed out that Trump would make an hour long speech, and people (namely the media) would cheery pick a few seconds out of it here and there and then claim that was the entire message. The people who saw through all that are the ones who voted for him.

It seems obvious the agenda is to discredit Trump in any and every way possible and giving the benefit of the doubt on anything is out of the question. It's not even that I'm all that pro-Trump, as I'll throw him under the bus as soon as he does something really wrong. It's just that I'm not in on the witch hunt.



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21 Feb 2017, 1:07 am

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Did anyone watch what he said. The guy got his words mixed up, he was talking about Sweden in general, but for some reason added "last night" in what he was saying.

Dave, Dave, Dave. This is Trump were talking about. You're not allowed to be logical and reasonable here. Don't you understand that Trump is a NaziHitlerFascistDictatorStalinCriminalPsychopathRacist?

Now, you need to denounce yourself and apologize for what you said. Once you have declared three times that Trump is really a NaziHitlerFascistDictatorStalinCriminalPsychopathRacist, then maybe we'll let you keep posting.

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21 Feb 2017, 9:42 am

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I still am unable to understand how it makes his gaff better if he was telling a crowd of people what he had watched on television the night before. He has access to all the information gathered by the government, but he's sitting in his bathrobe watching cable news to find out what's going on... and then he chats about it at a rally as if his newswatching is of interest.


I think we all have overestimated the competence of those in government, they do not have any more superior intelligence gathering capabilities than exactly that. How often did the Obama administration source some of their talking points particularly on foreign policy to Facebook posts? It was quite often, off the top of my head I can say Benghazi which blamed on a Youtube video and also numerous times in Ukraine & Syria. With the internet people have a lot of the same data compiling capabilities as the so called spies do, they do not have the exclusive control of information anymore. They are not superior beings to common folks no matter how much they think they ar


Yes, please tell us how terrible Obama was and then use it as a way to absolve the actions of trump.

Obama chosse the countries.

Obama had a muslum ban.

Please continue, tell us again why your precious little snowflake in the white house shouldnt be critizised. :roll:



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21 Feb 2017, 10:54 am

Not that I will do any good but...

http://www.inquisitr.com/3719288/exit-p ... -have-won/

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In other countries, exit polls are considered a very accurate measure of voter intent and a clear indicator of election fraud, and have at times been used to prove fraud and force a new election, as CNN reported the Ukraine had to do back in 2004. Unlike opinion polls, they are known to be accurate to within a very small margin of error


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There were other anomalies around the electronic machines too. Miller is particularly concerned with the 90,000 voters in Michigan who appeared to choose to “undervote” — that is, they did not vote for president, but they voted down ballot for all the other positions. In a state that was awarded to Trump by only 0.3 of a percent, these votes were crucial.

Add to that the voter purges and other voter suppression techniques, it’s little wonder that the United States electoral system comes dead last in the western world. The Electoral Integrity Project reports that American elections are less fair and secure than countries like Mongolia, Tunisia, Rwanda, and Brazil.


I don't believe Trump is a legitimate President. I'm with Rep. John Lewis on this. Considering Russia, Comey and Republican voter suppression I see this election as fraudulent.



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21 Feb 2017, 11:10 am

'but you don't believe that a single illegal vote was cast for Hillary? You somehow think that Trump(and Russia) rigged the election even tho Barack Obama was the incumbent and in control of the federal government. Let us remind everyone again that the biggest discrepancies in the exit polling last year were in the Democratic primary which there is already significant evidence of rigging. There is evidence of collusion between the media and the DNC/Clinton campaign which in other countries would be evidence of an unfree and unfair election.

Your conspiracy theories are fueled by wishful thinking and an inability to admit you were wrong. You and many others were wrong about the polls, I explain pretty in depth why they were wrong and how they were being skewed as well as likened to my previous experiences with the Ron Paul campaigns in '08 and '12.

Russia and voter suppression? It doesn't even make sense and it's backed up by zero evidence.

Also Hillary still is guilty and should be in prison, it still might happen by the way as it looks like Bryan Pagliano who was given immunity to cover this whole thing up and Anthony Weiner is also facing the possibility of being charged with child pornography. Do you think they're going to keep their mouth's shut?

Trump is the legitimate constitutionally elected POTUS whether you like it or not.



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21 Feb 2017, 11:23 am

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He was referencing the rape epidemic in Sweden

I wouldn't go visit any music festivals in Scandinavia if I was you Sweetleaf...


what rape epidemic? the article I looked at included rape statistics to...I think it showed a slight rise from 2013 or something, but certainly not to the scale of an epidemic.

So I think I'd be just fine going to a metal festival if I ever get that opportunity, of course currently I couldn't even afford to travel in the U.S let alone anywhere outside of it.


Yet gun crime is a epidemic despit being on a steady decline for the last 20 years
Seems the definition of what's a epidemic is up in the air.



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21 Feb 2017, 11:31 am

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'but you don't believe that a single illegal vote was cast for Hillary? You somehow think that Trump(and Russia) rigged the election even tho Barack Obama was the incumbent and in control of the federal government. Let us remind everyone again that the biggest discrepancies in the exit polling last year were in the Democratic primary which there is already significant evidence of rigging. There is evidence of collusion between the media and the DNC/Clinton campaign which in other countries would be evidence of an unfree and unfair election.

Your conspiracy theories are fueled by wishful thinking and an inability to admit you were wrong. You and many others were wrong about the polls, I explain pretty in depth why they were wrong and how they were being skewed as well as likened to my previous experiences with the Ron Paul campaigns in '08 and '12.

Russia and voter suppression? It doesn't even make sense and it's backed up by zero evidence.

Also Hillary still is guilty and should be in prison, it still might happen by the way as it looks like Bryan Pagliano who was given immunity to cover this whole thing up and Anthony Weiner is also facing the possibility of being charged with child pornography. Do you think they're going to keep their mouth's shut?

Trump is the legitimate constitutionally elected POTUS whether you like it or not.


Go away troll. I have no interest in you opinion.



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21 Feb 2017, 11:58 am

You have no interest in having your views challenged or discussing anything so I don't know why you're even posting on this forum, you are very angry and bitter and cannot accept that people have different views than your own.

I'll discuss anything with anyone, I respond to the contents of posts while you guys seem to be just raging that there are people who have different views than you. Try debating sometimes.