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22 Feb 2017, 9:28 am

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And, for extra money, they can pick up some trash whenever they see a large accumulation of it.

I don't this is going to solve the problem. People would likely be less than motivated to do this. People need to feel that they are contributing in some way greater than picking up random trash.



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22 Feb 2017, 9:36 am

I didn't mean picking up trash as a primary job. I meant it more as something that could help someone earn some extra bucks when they're broke.

I wouldn't feel disgraced in earning, say, 10 bucks when I have no food in the fridge by picking up trash.

If the government would give people cars/vans, they could deliver stuff to old people or something.

Sort of like Uber in major cities.



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22 Feb 2017, 9:37 am

I think you really underestimate the threat of automation, a lot of the computer stuff won't exist(and will be outsourced) and a cleaning up trash will be one of the first to go. There is no future right now, praying that some technological god will save you is wishful thinking I think, the whole point of this new technology is to replace workers.

There is very little machines won't be able to do if they are allowed to



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22 Feb 2017, 9:38 am

Yes. The great thing about those jobs is that the people lucky enough to get them felt superior to those who weren't lucky enough to get them. I think a lot of people want that, not a handout for everyone. And especially not those immigrants who just came into the country or want to come.



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22 Feb 2017, 9:40 am

It is very rare for an immigrant to want a "handout." Perhaps some of the younger ones, who have become too infused with American "culture" as portrayed on TV.

Most immigrants have a decent work ethic, and believe in their kids' education.

Perhaps even more than native Americans do.



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22 Feb 2017, 9:44 am

kraftiekortie wrote:
It is very rare for an immigrant to want a "handout." Perhaps some of the younger ones, who have become too infused with American "culture" as portrayed on TV.

Most immigrants have a decent work ethic, and believe in their kids' education.

Perhaps even more than native Americans do.


That is even worse. It means they and their kids quickly move up in American society, grabbing choice jobs that require skills and hard work.



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22 Feb 2017, 9:45 am

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There is very little machines won't be able to do if they are allowed to

I think it is possible that a bio/machine interface could be capable of more than a machine alone.

kraftiekortie wrote:
Perhaps even more than native Americans do.

8O



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22 Feb 2017, 9:46 am

Hopefully, the native Americans will see this, and become inspired to obtain their own work ethic.

This would raise the standards of our country. People boosting each other up.



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22 Feb 2017, 9:47 am

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Hopefully, the native Americans will see this, and become inspired to obtain their own work ethic.

This would raise the standards of our country. People boosting each other up.


My bad: I read that as Native Americans (Indigenous People.)



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22 Feb 2017, 9:53 am

androbot01 wrote:
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There is very little machines won't be able to do if they are allowed to

I think it is possible that a bio/machine interface could be capable of more than a machine alone.

kraftiekortie wrote:
Perhaps even more than native Americans do.

8O


Why? I can't think of any reason why some sort of cyborg would be superior to a machine, that would be an even higher cost worker. Now they'll probably force that into the few professions that machines can't do but that's just spreading it further. I wouldn't be too enthused about having some implant or whatever, this is truly dystopian stuff.

I have hard time not wanting to see this whole thing burn down and start over, there is no future.



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22 Feb 2017, 10:02 am

We haven't developed a robot/cyborg that even comes remotely close to replicating more than very routine tasks as performed by humans.

And I hope we never will.



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22 Feb 2017, 10:03 am

LOL....I meant people who were born and raised in the United States.

This could apply to Native Americans (ex-"Indians") as well.

What you call "First Nations."



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22 Feb 2017, 10:05 am

LoveNotHate wrote:
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A large part of the population everywhere will not be capable of doing the remaining jobs.


Elon Musk recently suggested these people need to merge with machines to make themselves more competitive in the workplace.

Elon Musk: Humans must merge with machines or become irrelevant in AI age
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/elon-musk ... 57210.html

Those Cylons are going to have a helluva a time when they go to board a plane.Metal detectors are not Cylon friendly. :D


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22 Feb 2017, 10:08 am

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Why? I can't think of any reason why some sort of cyborg would be superior to a machine, that would be an even higher cost worker.

The human mind is an incredibly complex biological machine - why not merge it with mechanics to create a greater being?

Jacoby wrote:
I have hard time not wanting to see this whole thing burn down and start over, there is no future.

I've felt that way since 1980. I can't wait for this narcissistic species to be replaced.



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22 Feb 2017, 10:12 am

Jacoby wrote:
There is very little machines won't be able to do if they are allowed to


The rich commonly pay for the privilege of not having to interact with machines.

I think it will still be a long time before machines are actually good at dealing with humans and their horribly inaccurate memories. Or figuring out what they want when they say something entirely different. 8O



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22 Feb 2017, 10:13 am

I think unfortunately there will be many cataclysmic wars in the future, if X country can conquer Y country and gain their wealth then they will do it if they are starving and have the power to. Are there limits to technology or are we doomed to be slaves? They are creating our replacements. The tech giants will live in fortresses while we live a feudal existence. These types of conditions I think are similar in a lot of ways to how it was before every great war or revolution.