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26 Feb 2017, 2:52 am

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So am I correct in assuming none of you save for Sweetleaf know about designer drugs? It's easily possible to get more inebriated than marijuana or even a whole bottle of everclear with some compounds & practically none of those will ever show up on any kind of drug test.

Yes, I know about designer drugs. The same principles apply. Use those damn things, and suffer the severest consequences that can be meted out.

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26 Feb 2017, 2:54 am

In fact, why don't you all just take advantage of your internet access to stalk & ostracise anyone who touches the devil's lettuce? That would be more productive in light of such extreme callousness as equating a week & a few hundred bucks to a life in prison. If you lack the humility & manners to stand next to somebody, examine yourself first.

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26 Feb 2017, 2:55 am

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Yes, I know about designer drugs. The same principles apply. Use those damn things, and suffer the severest consequences that can be meted out.

Just as soon as you devise a way to prove even trace evidence thereof. :lol:

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26 Feb 2017, 2:59 am

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I don't care if they make marijuana legal (so people who need the drug for illnesses such as cancer have no problem getting it - cards are available for that though) , but I don't want to be working around anyone who has been smoking it. I hope employers will start drug testing for it.

In school, right now we are studying about how we conduct ourselves outside of the workplace can get our nursing license stripped from us - alcohol, misdemeanor driving offenses, etc. - all have to be reported to the Nursing Board. Why should any other professional jobs be any different?

Medical or not, even possessing this sh!t should carry a life sentence in federal prison. I have to cart around a pothead, who's also a drunk. I have told him time and time again I don't want booze of any kind or the herb anywhere near me or my car. I can't stand the smell of either. I've even thrown him out of my car a few times when he starts drinking or he lights up. I put up with his antics because the building contractor I'm also carting around because of a DUI he got needs him to complete several maintenance jobs he has lined up with 3 different property management firms. I'm still catching hell from the pothead for not being able to transport him or the contractor to wherever they needed to be last week because the timing belt broke on my car, costing me almost $700.00 to fix. I'm now catching hell from my brother and his wife since I had to borrow money from him to get the car fixed, and had to borrow her Jeep to get around for a week. (She's not working, and they have 2 other cars, so why is she bitching? It comes down to everybody is always right, and I'm always wrong, AGAIN.)

I also feel that if you're stupid enough to overdose on opioids, because you're addicted, you don't deserve Narcan: YOU DESERVE TO DIE! I don't care if you're a bum, or the CEO of IBM or GE, see the previous sentence.

I'm damn sick and tired of catching hell from everyone for incidents that are out of my control and I have no control over. Can someone please direct me to a cave where a huge boulder can be rolled over the entrance, so I never have to communicate with or even see another person for the rest of my miserable life?

Well that guy sounds like an a**hole, I mean based on people I know and acquaintances they certainly don't do that kind of thing and would probably criticize anyone who did. And a majority of people I know smoke weed. There is the bus and lightrail if you get a DUI, not expecting everyone to just give you a ride everywhere. Not really that terribly hard to just not drink or smoke weed whilst driving. If I start driving I don't plan to do it if I am high or have been drinking.

As for opiate addicts I have a bit more sympathy than that, for the most part...plenty of good musicians/artists have been opiate addicts.

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26 Feb 2017, 3:10 am

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tl;dr You're unwilling to fix a timing belt/find a better car.

It's already been fixed. I caught hell for it breaking in the first place, and caught hell again for having to borrow money from my brother to have the car towed and repaired. You'd have a sour disposition also if you had to put up with the sh!t I put up with. Before you even tell me to lose the pothead, I've done so several times. This is the same guy that cursed me out over the phone about a month ago in the Emergency Room for having thoughts of killing other people, including him, and committing suicide. Every time I think I'm rid of him, he comes back like a bad nightmare. I've blocked his phone number, he'll borrow other people's phones to harass me further. I change my phone number, he finds out somehow or another, even if I don't tell anyone. If I move, he'll hunt me down like a did tracking a rabbit. I've called probation on him, probation won't do a damn thing, since they have no proof that he's drinking or blowing pot. I no longer have a life because of this jerk.

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26 Feb 2017, 3:16 am

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Problem is, mass transit around here is one of the cruelest jokes around. They frequently run late, if at all.

I probably should have kept my big mouth shut and sucked up the abuse. I'm now convinced no one gives a sh!t and a flying f!ck about anything.

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26 Feb 2017, 9:08 am

There are places here for people to make everything about them. Try the Haven.

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26 Feb 2017, 9:25 am

the_phoenix wrote:

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I also agree with medical marijuana.

And I know for a fact that in many instances, those who work in a STEM industry (science, technology, engineering, math) must pass a drug screen as part of a background check before starting work. Nice to know the people I'm working with are sober enough to concentrate on the job ... because in my case, it does in fact deal with rocket science.

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But one could be quite sober enough to concentrate on the job and still fail the drug test for marijuana. Also for all you know you could be sitting next to a pill head on pills, who used fake piss. Or you could be sitting next to a marijuana smoker who knows not to get stoned for that kind of intensive work who used fake piss because though they don't get high at work they knew they'd still fail.

Or, I could be working with the liberal media, who use fake piss to create fake news.

So are you still convinced drug testing ensures the people you're working with are sober enough to concentrate on the job? just to point things back in the direction of the topic at hand.

In my current contract assignment, I would say yes.

I do remember a curious incident years ago when I was at a different company. Right in the middle of the work day, all of a sudden, security came and personally escorted a guy out, allegedly for drug use. He lost his job immediately. I'm not sure how the company arrived at the conclusion that the guy had been using drugs.

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Back at my former place of employment, they wanted to test just the ER staff. Seven nurses and one doctor quit before it could be done. Gee, I wonder why? Would you want to go to a hospital where half the ER staff is illegally using drugs? They have to make life and death decisions in the ER. I know that I owe my patient's better than that.

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26 Feb 2017, 9:29 am

Since you obviously have access to information about the duration of the marijuana high, and the duration of the testing period, there's no need to point out that someone can be high only on their own time, and still test positive.

Thus, you are implying that people who smoke weed are inherently bad, right?

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26 Feb 2017, 9:37 am

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When it comes to cannabis it will show up in a drug test for up to 30 days, so drug testing isn't even an effective way to determine if one is getting high on the job or not. A much better indicator would be if they smell like they just smoked a bong, their eyes are red and they seem stoned.

Can you go have a few beers on the weekend, or enjoy a few glasses of wine with dinner if you choose without risking your career as a nurse? If so why shouldn't someone be able to consume cannabis on their own time without risking their career?

No, I cannot. Actually, if anyone smells alcohol on any nurse or doctor, you are supposed to turn them in.

We had a nurse at my former job that turned herself in for drinking too much and she felt she needed rehab. She came to work drunk on vodka. I was fooled. She must have had a high tolerance, but you would notice her eyes were bloodshot. I couldn't believe it. She wasn't able to touch any narcotics and they fired her. She ended up getting a job again at the same hospital she did rehab in. That was weird too.

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26 Feb 2017, 9:39 am

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Is this directed at me?

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26 Feb 2017, 10:02 am

Yes, and it would have been simpler to just answer it. It applies to anyone making that false implication.

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26 Feb 2017, 10:36 am

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Exactly.Why should someone loose their job if they took a puff off a doobie one weekend.That is not going to effect their job performance two weeks later.Worry more about something like meth which metabolizes quickly and be out of a users system within 48 hours,meanwhile they are still bat s**t crazy.
Obviously someone shouldn't drink or smoke before work.Seems like a waste of a good buzz to me.
Not sure why it wouldn't let you read the link,but it was about all the jobs the industry has created.
Most employers don't do regular pee tests unless you are around drugs or operate heavy equipment.Most jobs here just require a one time pee test when you get hired.I doubt anyone cares if the stock boy at the Dollar Store smoked a joint last night and I doubt it interferes with his job of stacking cans.
I know medical professionals,cops,lawyers etc that all puff the magic dragon.There are ways to fool pee tests if you are smart.One is a nurse who has smoked for years on their time off.They are reaching retirement age now,it never once effected their career.Air Force enlisted used to prefer shrooms and LSD to weed,it didn't show up on the screening back then.A friend's top gun husband regularly did acid,and later on when he was a work flew equipment wort millions of dollars.lol

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26 Feb 2017, 2:54 pm

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You ever hear of liability? Say someone smokes a doobie or gets totally plastered the night before. The go to work the next day and they do something that causes an accident or destroys property. They get tested and find high levels of tHC or alcohol in their blood. Guess what? You end up being sued, lose your licenses, you insurance, your job, and your business.

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26 Feb 2017, 3:09 pm

Do you know anything at all about civil courts?

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26 Feb 2017, 3:30 pm

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Smoking a doobie and getting totally plastered are hardly the same thing...yes if you got plastered and still are hung over and borderline drunk when you get up that's dumb and you should certainly be held liable if you cause an accident at work. However if someone smoked a doobie the night before, didn't get plastered and gets up and goes to work they are not still going to be under the influence of said doobie. Hence why once again pre-employment or random on the job drug tests for cannabis do not do an effective job of telling you if an employee is using it at work or not.

If an accident occurs do a drug test, sure, but doing it before doesn't really show if someone is getting high on the job or not.

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