Does conservative hypocrisy infuriate anybody else?

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BetwixtBetween
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03 May 2017, 4:36 pm

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You're allowing the possibility that something is alive or has free will, then, that it can be controlled or killed.

Which is quite consistent with my view on the death penalty. Further a fetus with no brain has no will. Nor does a collection of cells that hasn't formed nerves or a heart. Or the fetus that has died inside the woman and is poisoning her. And just because a woman (or a girl) has free will doesn't mean she's always permitted or able to exercise it, as previously mentioned.

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Do you know the origins of the word, ped-agogue?

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Origin and Etymology of pedagogue. Middle English pedagoge, from Latin paedagogus, from Greek paidagōgos, slave who escorted children to school, from paid- ped- + agōgos leader, from agein to lead — more at agent.

I don't think I've ever seen an enslaved political representative walking children to school, though it could explain some of their hypocrisy. They were enslaved an tired of walking with children.



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03 May 2017, 8:17 pm

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Also, in regard to the OP: It is against PPR rules to call Conservatives (which are usually aka Republicans), or any other people, idiots (copied and pasted):

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While it is acceptable to attack and debate beliefs (political, religious etc) it is not acceptable to make generalised attacks on the adherents of those beliefs. It is acceptable to say that Republicanism, Liberalism, Christianity, Islam are stupid but not acceptable to make generalised attacks saying that Republicans, Liberals, Christians or Muslims are morons.

As usual, only the rules apply to certain people.

Yes, I've certainly felt that way, at times; because, as of this writing, there is yet another all-cap thread title in the PPR index. I feel that when a precedent is set, it should be applied to ALL.




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03 May 2017, 8:40 pm

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The woman made her choice when she chose to have unprotected sex.

You're assuming that A) she is a woman, and not a child and B) she had a choice. That's a lot to assume.

And, C, that maybe she DID protect herself, and the protection failed (ie, there IS such a thing as a "Pill Baby" [when a woman becomes pregnant while on the Pill]).




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04 May 2017, 10:01 am

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The woman made her choice when she chose to have unprotected sex.

You're assuming that A) she is a woman, and not a child and B) she had a choice. That's a lot to assume.

And, C, that maybe she DID protect herself, and the protection failed (ie, there IS such a thing as a "Pill Baby" [when a woman becomes pregnant while on the Pill]).

Then she knowingly took the risk and it didn't work out for her. Murdering an innocent human life is not a valid solution. Carry the child to term and put it up for adoption.



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04 May 2017, 10:33 am

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You're allowing the possibility that something is alive or has free will, then, that it can be controlled or killed.

BetwixtBetween wrote:
Which is quite consistent ...

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Do you know the origins of the word, ped-agogue?

Merriam Webster Online wrote:

Origin and Etymology of pedagogue. Middle English pedagoge, from Latin paedagogus, from Greek paidagōgos, slave who escorted children to school, from paid- ped- + agōgos leader, from agein to lead — more at agent.

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I don't think I've ever seen an enslaved political representative walking children to school, though it could explain some of their hypocrisy. They were enslaved an tired of walking with children.

Our everyday prudes, pedants, and pundits, are enslaved, political, representatives.

Pedagogy also carries the connotation of the false color of authority, because the person outwardly presents as an authoritarian, yet is ultimately subordinate to the prevailing, political order.

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In Crete, in order for the suitor to carry out the ritual abduction, the father had to approve him as worthy of the honor. Among the Athenians, as Socrates claims in Xenophon's Symposium, "Nothing [of what concerns the boy] is kept hidden from the father, by an ideal lover." In order to protect their sons from inappropriate attempts at seduction, fathers appointed slaves called pedagogues to watch over their sons. However, according to Aeschines, Athenian fathers would pray that their sons would be handsome and attractive, with the full knowledge that they would then attract the attention of men and "be the objects of fights because of erotic passions.


Social conservatives weren't complaining, when the erastes had social influence.

Or, when the govt is the premier trafficker in vices.

It's a sumptuary law -- not a moral argument. There is a market control, on it, irrespective of the moral considerations.

That is what I found hypocritical.

Q -- How did you get the job
A -- It's who you know, who you bl--

Gym coaches, talent agents, and king makers take the vulgar saying literally, while making the worse possible accusations, against low-status people, who they find suspicious.

I think that conservatives are enablers of the rich. They feel powerful, but are ultimately, just slaves and gatekeepers, trafficking in the same vices they claim to be at war against.



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05 May 2017, 10:41 am

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Then she knowingly took the risk and it didn't work out for her. Murdering an innocent human life is not a valid solution. Carry the child to term and put it up for adoption.


As previously discussed in numerous other posts, no, she didn't always knowingly take a risk, or even have a choice in taking that risk. And carrying the child to term is not always an option. And we can't even adopt out all the kids currently in the system.

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Our everyday prudes, pedants, and pundits, are enslaved, political, representatives.

Examples please. I could come up with names of people I think represent the extreme right, but I've yet to see anybody take a political representative or their first born to sell at an open market.

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Pedagogy also carries the connotation of the false color of authority, because the person outwardly presents as an authoritarian, yet is ultimately subordinate to the prevailing, political order.

Wikipedia wrote:
In Crete, in order for the suitor to carry out the ritual abduction, the father had to approve him as worthy of the honor. Among the Athenians, as Socrates claims in Xenophon's Symposium, "Nothing [of what concerns the boy] is kept hidden from the father, by an ideal lover." In order to protect their sons from inappropriate attempts at seduction, fathers appointed slaves called pedagogues to watch over their sons. However, according to Aeschines, Athenian fathers would pray that their sons would be handsome and attractive, with the full knowledge that they would then attract the attention of men and "be the objects of fights because of erotic passions.

Relevance?

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Social conservatives weren't complaining, when the erastes had social influence.

Or, when the govt is the premier trafficker in vices.

Examples please.

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Gym coaches, talent agents, and king makers take the vulgar saying literally, while making the worse possible accusations, against low-status people, who they find suspicious.


Examples please.

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They feel powerful, but are ultimately, just slaves and gatekeepers, trafficking in the same vices they claim to be at war against.

Examples please.



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05 May 2017, 11:05 am

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Relevance?


Wealthy people are gladly afforded access to drugs, guns, dirty fuels, and sexualized children -- everything which is considered a vice, in modern times.

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Examples please.


It's a generalization. Determine, for yourself, whether it is relevant.

The middle class are pedagogues and gatekeepers, who only pretend to be in authority.



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05 May 2017, 11:10 am

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Wealthy people are gladly afforded access to drugs, guns, dirty fuels, and sexualized children -- everything which is considered a vice, in modern times.


So are poor people and middle class people.

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It's a generalization. Determine, for yourself, whether it is relevant.

Very well. I have determined the generalization to be irrelevant.



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05 May 2017, 11:18 am

(For yourself.)

You're not trying very hard, to believe that conservatives are hypocrites.