Fascism/Communism not just horseshoe - they ARE the same!

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One of the greatest gifts that a crazy person can give the sane is to wear their craziness on their sleeve.

There is nothing more insane than crying about how Nazis deserve legitimacy.

Unlike the sane and rational legitimacy you're granting them by using them as a straw-representative of anyone who disagrees with you?

Don't say I didn't tell you so when neo Nazi violence escalates in America.

You assume I expect anything else. Where we differ is on our understanding of the cause.

That is to say, I do and you seem not to. I might even be tempted to elaborate if I weren't already convinced by your recent posts that this would be a thorough waste of my time. This should stand doubly as a reminder that one reaps what one sows.

Should...

Give the Nazis an inch, and they'll take your life. Remember that.

And by the ever-broadening definition of nazi we'll all be dead.

If you wave around swastika flags while pulling off Roman salutes, you are a Nazi.

Or are you seriously trying to argue otherwise?

Police departments don't hire heroin addicts to watch their search and seizure vaults.

I'm sure I can come up with more homemade Chinese proverbs as the day goes on.

Nope. The police hire people who stage scenarios where Nazi violence is certain to erupt instead. Just so Trump could use it to further his agenda.

True, the governor and mayor are southern democrats after all.

There's something else and this might be a good time to add it:

I have been listening to Stefan Molyneux a lot in the past couple days and what I'd say is that he's a mixed bag. I do think he's approaching his own thought processes with a lot of honesty but I do also think that he can get a bit lost in some of the moralisms. I was, for example listening to him talk to a guy about problems with foreign migrants in the UK and cultural Balkanization. Stefan's suggestion is that our top sin in the west is our welfare system and that once that goes away or burns itself out (due to the state's inability to pay) the people on the system at that point who were from other countries would, in the case of high IQ, stay and be productive or, in the case of low IQ, go home or find some other way of melting into the background. That last part obviously seems a bit wishful just like it also doesn't explain what then happens to the ethnic poor of that country as well, and it gets nowhere near the automation bomb that'll be hitting our economy and that if we've been doing the welfare state perniciously for all this time tough luck - we'll need UBI or something like it soon just to have social order and if Stefan thinks that the welfare system, along with politicians desire for votes, is in and of itself the driver of immigration I have no idea what he's suggesting we do once we have 35-40% of people either permanently displaced from the labor economy or unable to hold down enough minimum wage jobs to make ends meet.

I think this is where I just say I aim for novel ideas, evaluating them, and I can take or leave - usually eventually leave - the messenger. For what it's worth I tend to see ideas as transient rather than properly having one group or thinker's DNA necessarily unless we're talking about religious customs, laws, etc.. which are primarily tribal or cultural.

As for anyone saying that Stefan is a crackpot or that Dinesh is an ex-con, that's great but I suppose it's not really my concern. I think the main thing I wanted to look at is the idea that the notion of communism and fascism as dipole opposites is a fiction. Even the horseshoe analogy seems like an attempt to try massaging a destructive tautology (ie. that they're opposites) when I don't even know that the tautology is necessary or even helpful to begin with. I strongly advocate holding both views responsible for their horrors in the 20th century and even taking them as a joint monstrosity, the main differences being circumstantial - ie. one tending to target race or foreign powers, the other targeting some layer of class or whoever the 'kulaks' are decided to be.

Yep, same reason s**t stinks, so you know not to eat it.

Well that is false...of course soviet style communism could be described as just as bad as fascism. But communism and fascism aren't different words for the same thing.

That said with all the neo-nazis crawling out of their caves, I think fascism is more of a concern than communism.

Communism would speech grab, then gun grab, then kill or starve maybe 50 to 100 million people, have sanctioned torture and rape, and all the tacky stuff that you'd generally think some hyperventilating idiot who's an anti-communist American born-and-raised Republican wingnut, like Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn, would make up.

Roving nazi's we can all talk about the odiousness of as they get handcuffed or hauled off to jail. With actual communism you'd be lucky if your criticisms are written on your tombstone, if you have a tombstone for that matter, and even perhaps more importantly if you aren't tied up, thrown in a ditch with a bunch of other people, and buried alive to save the bullets.

It really must be bliss to have not read about the ugly side of history.

I'm wondering if you did, since you sound a lot like a best-of of Jordan Peterson's angry retelling of the Gulag Archipelago.
Mind you, the communists do not occupy the top position of human evil. That's still the nazis, that's still Auschwitz - not due it's scale, or because it was more cruel than the gulags, but because of the industrialized process, because of the nazis creating a regime in which a decent, common-sense architect would design death camps, and go home to his family afterwards and hug his children. Because of establishing a somewhat functional society, that a handful of 90 year old germans still remember fondly as providing community, and a common cause etc- while at the same time being entirely geared at genocide.
the communists were cruel towards their own society, and terrorized each other. the nazis managed to create happy aryan family memories, while running Auschwitz.


where are the neo-stalinists? communists, you will find. and each and every one will say, stalin wasn't following marx (and really, he wasn't...) - but the neo-nazis want to redo nazi-ism, but of course, this time, win the war.