What is so great about Trump and the Right?

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30 Nov 2017, 1:48 pm

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Trump appeals to people who look at their own lack of movement up the social ladder and want to blame someone else for it, whether it's women or minorities getting what they call "special rights," or poor people "stealing from them," or immigrants, legal or otherwise, "stealing their jobs."

And if you don't see the left doing the exact same thing I don't know what to tell you. Bernie Sanders telling everyone the system is rigged and rich people are holding everyone down, leftist groups blaming white men for everything going wrong in the world... partisan blindness really is something. :D


It's especially the white man blaming which has made me a conservative. So congratulations to the left for driving people like me away. It's funny to me that they talk so much about inclusion and what not, but then when it comes to certain groups of people, they do a 180 and allow themselves to be completely polarizing...

Because me, a white autistic kid who grew up with a mentally ill mom on welfare, living in one of the poorest areas of my country, is alot more priviledged than a black kid growing up in a 10$ million dollar mansion, with a strong and supportive family... obviously :roll:


I was raised in a working class household, and today I'm a starving artist type without a pot to p*ss in... oh, and I'm white. But never, ever, have I been made to feel that I'm responsible for the suffering of others due to the accident of my birth and skin color.


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30 Nov 2017, 5:10 pm

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Trump appeals to people who look at their own lack of movement up the social ladder and want to blame someone else for it, whether it's women or minorities getting what they call "special rights," or poor people "stealing from them," or immigrants, legal or otherwise, "stealing their jobs." That, and his supporters tend to be people who are behind the times with their knowledge of science and the arts, and want nothing more than to humiliate those who they call elites for their what they know about said science and the arts, even if it's detrimental for the country. So in other words, there is nothing special about Trump and the right, and everything wrong. It's a philosophy of resentment and prejudice looking for something to justify those feelings.


Haha, it's far more that the left are the ones that want someone else's stuff for free.


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30 Nov 2017, 5:13 pm

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Well, the right wing movement gains momentum the more that people are afraid. The left wing movement is about compassion, and recognizing we will only advance as a collective whole if we help each other out.

As Einstein says, insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. So if you don't like the way society is now, don't be a conservative, otherwise you'll get the same results.



I wonder if that has anything to do with things like putting a million 'refugees' into places like Germany at once, without consulting the people of that country. What societies are conservative exactly? Both the right and the left support wars across the world for the most part. When a true leftist like Jeremy Corbyn comes along and tries to stand against wars and actually proposes socialist policies, the media and Co go after him like there's no tomorrow.


Actually the media and co go after him because his socialist ideas spark outcries of conspiracy and outrage with most of his yelling and shouts in the House of Commons. Things like garden tax and removing tuition fees which are coming to nothing. I also, am not a supporter of wars to end all wars, but I do and I'm sure a lot of people feel sure that we need to end the threat of Islamic powers in the form of ISIS across the broad Atlantic media spectrum and not rehouse them back as refugees if they've been radicalised. It's not even a race against time anymore, its about a race against crime.
Also, I've never been a Tory in my life, but I voted for Leave to put an end to phoney European Laws.
I'm sorry folks, but Flash Corbyn is not the true alternative of Labour for me.


They went after him before he mentioned any of that. And that's because he's always been anti-war and has criticised Israel. It was these wars that helped form ISIS. If you're a 5 year old in Iraq in 2003 and all you know is bombs, blood and carnage for 14 years, you're going to be messed up. I'm against taking in any 'refugees' pretty much.
At least it isn't Blair.

Those who are partisans of Trump were the same peoples who supported the Irak war in 2003; those who opposed it are against him.


Pure nonsense. The Democrats just wanted a different type of war, with more countries involved. Hillary is the biggest war monger on the planet and all those people against Trump voted for her.


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30 Nov 2017, 5:15 pm

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Trump appeals to people who look at their own lack of movement up the social ladder and want to blame someone else for it, whether it's women or minorities getting what they call "special rights," or poor people "stealing from them," or immigrants, legal or otherwise, "stealing their jobs." That, and his supporters tend to be people who are behind the times with their knowledge of science and the arts, and want nothing more than to humiliate those who they call elites for their what they know about said science and the arts, even if it's detrimental for the country. So in other words, there is nothing special about Trump and the right, and everything wrong. It's a philosophy of resentment and prejudice looking for something to justify those feelings.


Real nice of you to wrap up the 63 million people who voted for Trump with blanket statements and stereotypes.

It's funny how people get so blinded with partisan politics that they can't see how similar they really are to the people they're fighting against.


Then give me reasons specifically why I'm wrong, please.


Do I really have to explain to you that there's going to be a radical differences in a group of 63 million people or more? You've been alive for over a half century and you want me to explain why 63 million people are not going to fit perfectly into your condescending stereotypes? Come on dude.


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30 Nov 2017, 5:41 pm

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What is so great about Trump and the Right?

1.Stock market record highs.
2.Tax cuts.
3.Potential elimination of the ACA mandate (no more $695(single)/$2085(family) fines on millions of people).
4.Active rounding up and deportation of criminal illegal aliens.


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30 Nov 2017, 6:19 pm

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What is so great about Trump and the Right?

1.Stock market record highs.
2.Tax cuts.
3.Potential elimination of the ACA mandate (no more $695(single)/$2085(family) fines on millions of people).
4.Active rounding up and deportation of criminal illegal aliens.


1. The stock market could just as easily be attributable to Obama.
2. The tax cuts will benefit the super rich and corporations. Middle class and small business tax cuts will only be short term, with tax hikes in the future. Some seniors will see their taxes go up immediately.
3. After how many failed tries? The Republicans aren't exactly batting a thousand at this point. And eliminating the ACA would leave millions of Americans without hope for medical care.
4. Those illegals they've rounded up is show for the xenophobes who voted for Trump. There are literally millions of illegals, so is Trump actually going to deport them all? Besides, illegals contribute such an important element to the workforce that the economy would soon collapse without them. It's like the Republicans always screaming about cutting food stamps: such a move would leave grocery stores and other such businesses devastated.


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30 Nov 2017, 6:22 pm

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Trump appeals to people who look at their own lack of movement up the social ladder and want to blame someone else for it, whether it's women or minorities getting what they call "special rights," or poor people "stealing from them," or immigrants, legal or otherwise, "stealing their jobs." That, and his supporters tend to be people who are behind the times with their knowledge of science and the arts, and want nothing more than to humiliate those who they call elites for their what they know about said science and the arts, even if it's detrimental for the country. So in other words, there is nothing special about Trump and the right, and everything wrong. It's a philosophy of resentment and prejudice looking for something to justify those feelings.


Haha, it's far more that the left are the ones that want someone else's stuff for free.


I could be cruel, and simply state about your post: my point has just been proven.


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30 Nov 2017, 7:50 pm

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Trump appeals to people who look at their own lack of movement up the social ladder and want to blame someone else for it, whether it's women or minorities getting what they call "special rights," or poor people "stealing from them," or immigrants, legal or otherwise, "stealing their jobs." That, and his supporters tend to be people who are behind the times with their knowledge of science and the arts, and want nothing more than to humiliate those who they call elites for their what they know about said science and the arts, even if it's detrimental for the country. So in other words, there is nothing special about Trump and the right, and everything wrong. It's a philosophy of resentment and prejudice looking for something to justify those feelings.


Haha, it's far more that the left are the ones that want someone else's stuff for free.


I could be cruel, and simply state about your post: my point has just been proven.


Has it? :? The left are usually the ones who want free stuff, the right are the ones who don't want it given away. Try reading and notice how I say phrases like "generally" or "usually", not putting everyone into the same bracket like you do. It's usually the left wing blaming the rich "white people" for all their problems. Sure, you get a lot of idiots who blame their problems on immigrants too, but a lot actually blame immigration and the people who carried out those policies. You'll never learn all this if you're just glued to CNN.


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30 Nov 2017, 8:24 pm

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Trump appeals to people who look at their own lack of movement up the social ladder and want to blame someone else for it, whether it's women or minorities getting what they call "special rights," or poor people "stealing from them," or immigrants, legal or otherwise, "stealing their jobs." That, and his supporters tend to be people who are behind the times with their knowledge of science and the arts, and want nothing more than to humiliate those who they call elites for their what they know about said science and the arts, even if it's detrimental for the country. So in other words, there is nothing special about Trump and the right, and everything wrong. It's a philosophy of resentment and prejudice looking for something to justify those feelings.


Haha, it's far more that the left are the ones that want someone else's stuff for free.


I could be cruel, and simply state about your post: my point has just been proven.


Has it? :? The left are usually the ones who want free stuff, the right are the ones who don't want it given away. Try reading and notice how I say phrases like "generally" or "usually", not putting everyone into the same bracket like you do. It's usually the left wing blaming the rich "white people" for all their problems. Sure, you get a lot of idiots who blame their problems on immigrants too, but a lot actually blame immigration and the people who carried out those policies. You'll never learn all this if you're just glued to CNN.


Those rich people who control business and government are responsible for our woes. They have power that minorities, poor people, and immigrants simply do not have. That those rich people are white is incidental.


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02 Dec 2017, 5:01 am

What is really great about Trump is that he is not Hilary !
What is also great is that he is not a career politician.
I would have considered my self a real leftist once upon a time. But now the right is looking a lot more appealing having witnessed the rise of the trendy left that talks the talk but doesn't walk the walk.



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02 Dec 2017, 12:32 pm

Kraichgauer wrote:
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Trump appeals to people who look at their own lack of movement up the social ladder and want to blame someone else for it, whether it's women or minorities getting what they call "special rights," or poor people "stealing from them," or immigrants, legal or otherwise, "stealing their jobs." That, and his supporters tend to be people who are behind the times with their knowledge of science and the arts, and want nothing more than to humiliate those who they call elites for their what they know about said science and the arts, even if it's detrimental for the country. So in other words, there is nothing special about Trump and the right, and everything wrong. It's a philosophy of resentment and prejudice looking for something to justify those feelings.


Haha, it's far more that the left are the ones that want someone else's stuff for free.


I could be cruel, and simply state about your post: my point has just been proven.


Has it? :? The left are usually the ones who want free stuff, the right are the ones who don't want it given away. Try reading and notice how I say phrases like "generally" or "usually", not putting everyone into the same bracket like you do. It's usually the left wing blaming the rich "white people" for all their problems. Sure, you get a lot of idiots who blame their problems on immigrants too, but a lot actually blame immigration and the people who carried out those policies. You'll never learn all this if you're just glued to CNN.


Those rich people who control business and government are responsible for our woes. They have power that minorities, poor people, and immigrants simply do not have. That those rich people are white is incidental.


Right. And anyone sensible talking about these issues doesn't blame immigrants, they blame immigration. So blame the people who made the policies.


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Trump appeals to people who look at their own lack of movement up the social ladder and want to blame someone else for it, whether it's women or minorities getting what they call "special rights," or poor people "stealing from them," or immigrants, legal or otherwise, "stealing their jobs." That, and his supporters tend to be people who are behind the times with their knowledge of science and the arts, and want nothing more than to humiliate those who they call elites for their what they know about said science and the arts, even if it's detrimental for the country. So in other words, there is nothing special about Trump and the right, and everything wrong. It's a philosophy of resentment and prejudice looking for something to justify those feelings.


Haha, it's far more that the left are the ones that want someone else's stuff for free.


I could be cruel, and simply state about your post: my point has just been proven.


Has it? :? The left are usually the ones who want free stuff, the right are the ones who don't want it given away. Try reading and notice how I say phrases like "generally" or "usually", not putting everyone into the same bracket like you do. It's usually the left wing blaming the rich "white people" for all their problems. Sure, you get a lot of idiots who blame their problems on immigrants too, but a lot actually blame immigration and the people who carried out those policies. You'll never learn all this if you're just glued to CNN.


Those rich people who control business and government are responsible for our woes. They have power that minorities, poor people, and immigrants simply do not have. That those rich people are white is incidental.


Right. And anyone sensible talking about these issues doesn't blame immigrants, they blame immigration. So blame the people who made the policies.


What's wrong with showing some heart toward desperate people who just want a better life?


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You're making a false claim that all "immigrants" are just coming here out of desperation. But sure, I don't blame immigrants for doing that in the slightest. But that isn't dealing with the route causes. I want banks to stop giving predatory loans to poor countries and stealing their resources. If you're supporting those people migrating, then you're supporting the plans of those evil people.


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You're making a false claim that all "immigrants" are just coming here out of desperation. But sure, I don't blame immigrants for doing that in the slightest. But that isn't dealing with the route causes. I want banks to stop giving predatory loans to poor countries and stealing their resources. If you're supporting those people migrating, then you're supporting the plans of those evil people.


No, not all immigrants are desperate and fleeing, but too many are.
We actually agree on how banks prey on the third world. Bankers are bankers, no matter if they screw over people in your neighborhood, or if they do it internationally.


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You're making a false claim that all "immigrants" are just coming here out of desperation. But sure, I don't blame immigrants for doing that in the slightest. But that isn't dealing with the route causes. I want banks to stop giving predatory loans to poor countries and stealing their resources. If you're supporting those people migrating, then you're supporting the plans of those evil people.


No, not all immigrants are desperate and fleeing, but too many are.
We actually agree on how banks prey on the third world. Bankers are bankers, no matter if they screw over people in your neighborhood, or if they do it internationally.


They are illegal immigrants then. Flooding them into over countries will just keep the evil atrocities going on forever.
Yep!


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You're making a false claim that all "immigrants" are just coming here out of desperation. But sure, I don't blame immigrants for doing that in the slightest. But that isn't dealing with the route causes. I want banks to stop giving predatory loans to poor countries and stealing their resources. If you're supporting those people migrating, then you're supporting the plans of those evil people.


No, not all immigrants are desperate and fleeing, but too many are.
We actually agree on how banks prey on the third world. Bankers are bankers, no matter if they screw over people in your neighborhood, or if they do it internationally.


They are illegal immigrants then. Flooding them into over countries will just keep the evil atrocities going on forever.
Yep!


They're all illegal immigrants? Huh?


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